B.O.B. Ft. Eminem-Airplanes Pt 2

[Mercury]

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[Mr.T]

Some people should NEVER rhyme alongside that man on a track.

[Mojo]

Yeah, Em did murder that one.

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

Yeah, Em did murder that one.

eminem has reached a point in his career where he can fart on a track and people would think its the dopest shit ever

I bet if Em rhymed the Guru verse I posted, yall would think it was classic and never brought Andre 3000 into the conversation

I dont get it

[Nah]

Eh, it was aight. It's basic Em to me. Good sht, but nuthin' groundbreaking.

[Qwasian]

it was hot to me....... I think one thing about his shit though, it's kinda crossing genre's or something into hardcore hiphop or maybe alternative, and that's where people get to feeling kinda funny, I definately feel like the reason alot of people say he shouldn't be on tracks with other people is "YES" because he's talented, but also because it's a different style/genre of music really.... some people don't even like it.

[Mercury]

eminem has reached a point in his career where he can fart on a track and people would think its the dopest shit ever

I bet if Em rhymed the Guru verse I posted, yall would think it was classic and never brought Andre 3000 into the conversation

I dont get it

come on man. if you like guru better thats perfectly fine. I just don't see how its hard for you to fathom that somebody might like 3000 better.

Your southern bias is getting to Dre-like levels if you can listen to a guru verse and then a 3000 verse and think Andre's verse is so much more wack.

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

come on man. if you like guru better thats perfectly fine. I just don't see how its hard for you to fathom that somebody might like 3000 better.

Your southern bias is getting to Dre-like levels if you can listen to a guru verse and then a 3000 verse and think Andre's verse is so much more wack.

He doesnt appeal to me. His country accent, his voice are annoying. So I dont even bother to listen. It doesnt grab me. Outkast themselves dont make the music I like. They are left field and make spaceship music like brother Q once said.

The point I was making is how a verse is called average because some "average" rapper spit it..but if that same verse was spit by another "legend" it would be called classic

Andre 3000 and Eminem can truly say absolutely nothing right now and people would leave 300 comments on rapradar calling him the GOAT....lol come on man

I can see if there were clever lines, metaphors, punchlines etc....but this em verse for example was average. He just spit a bunch of lines about how shit would have turned out if he didnt make the decisions he made. shit got 300+ comments on blogs about how great it was and he is....wtf?

[Mojo]

Eminem would never spit a rhyme like you posted of Guru with that basic rhyme scheme.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

I agree with what he's saying about Eminem though.

He spits anything and there is always someone on the internet acting like its the greatest verse in rap history. Like on Forever Remix..I'm not saying it was a wack verse but it wasn't the greatest either. I'd take Kanye's verse over Em's. Kanye's was at least fairly clever..Em wasn't saying anything. He was relying solely on rhyme scheme and it didn't even fit the beat that well, IMO.

However, Andre 3000 > Guru..that shouldn't even be up for debate and I'm not even a big Outkast fan like that especially not their music from the last decade.

[king]

3000> guru

[Qwasian]

andre3000 is definately capable of spitting greatness, and has before, but he's nowhere near the caliber of eminem..... and guru isn't even in the same universe as em........

if you listen to that em verse on that song & don't understand it's ill, then you don't know shit about rap, honestly........

if you listen to em verse on forever & don't understand that the rhyme scheme & presence is there, then you need a new set of ears........

obviously people who are saying that have never rapped, anyone who has, already understands the greatness........

it might not sound good to you or whatever you want to label it.......

but fact is fact proof is proof, eminem bars on every song are techinically sound & his rhyme schemes are creative on every single verse...... to say otherwise you don't know what your talking about..... str8 up

eminem never spit a verse like that guru joint and his verse on the bob joint is not just some regular bars........

eminem is not my favorite rapper, and i'm not an eminem stan, i'm currently mainly listening to lloyd banks........

but I have rapped for many years, and understand eminem is lyrically great, just like I can say ludacris and busta rhymes are lyrically great, but I don't listen to them

[Nerd Motivation 101]

I never said that the rhyme scheme wasn't there. The rhyme scheme is complex. But thats all that verse is..a complex rhyme scheme.

He compromised substance for the rhyme scheme. Read the lyrics, he isn't saying anything. He's rapping about how he's going to rap and other miscellaneous shit. I lean towards substance over structure. I want to hear a clever use of words more than an clever arrangement of words. Maybe you don't..thats just a preference. Doesn't have anything to do with not knowing rap or whatever other bullshit you're saying.

[Qwasian]

you act as if eminem doesn't have songs that contain lyrical substance, it's funny that you say that because the B.O.B. & Eminem Airplanes 2 verse pretty much speaks to every mc, and has a very deep meaning to every single one of them and we all know how many wanna be rappers there are, if you want substance, jump to another verse, another bar on another song.... forever was a bragger track to begin with, the subject matter wasn't built for deep content on that particular song. rap isn't limited to your one form of rap and doesn't have to conform on every track. I understand you don't personally like it, or you might be looking for something else, that doesn't change the fact that it's lyrically crushing to every mc' in the game.........

we talking about the kat who jump on tracks with LEGENDS in the game and all across the board the entire hiphop community agree's that he murdered them bar for bar.........

people get a little too caught up in the hate factor of rap and are scarred to congradulate or something, there isn't really a bar higher than eminem so if you don't agree you might wanna just listen to a different genre of music

show me an mc, who sold over 500k records that has the rhyme schemes, body of work, lyrical content, wordplay of eminem...... gaurantee you cant.......

he is the only mc "EVER" in rap history to smash the fucking bar from battle rap/lyricism to commercial success...... he belongs on the underground circuit, he was just able to smash that bar & cross it over to the next level

HE CREATED THAT LEVEL....... HE "IS" that level.........

if you haven't found a clever use of words in eminems catalogue your brain dead.......

[Nerd Motivation 101]

Ok, now quote me where I said that eminem doesn't have any songs that contain lyrical substance? Classic strawman, you're arguing against made up claims that are easy to refute and characterizing them as my positions even though I never said anything of the like.

What I said is that eminem can spit any ol' nonsense and its heralded as a gift from the lyrical gods. I pointed to one particular example of that. Which was one verse from one song. I didn't say anything about his discography.

[Qwasian]

he's not spitting nonsense....... perhaps it goes over your head, but the verse makes complete sense to me.........

it's a bragger rap just like 90% of the rap songs out to date.....

people who enjoy lyrics enjoy eminem because he takes more time to compose & make the words & patterns fit into songs beats etc........

if you go in the booth plug up and let each mc spit, all the other mc's in that booth go damn he took more time with his shit and killed that........

I don't see why that's so difficult for people to understand? I mean you don't like it, but it's obviously lyrically sound..... nothing about that verse is even that wreckless, he got alot more crazy shit than that joint

and I quoted you on the position you took when you said "I AGREE WITH HIM ABOUT EMINEM"............ and then you quoted one song and talked about lyrical content, I figured even a small child could figure out if they were looking for deep meaningful songs they would plug into songs w/ that type of content.... why would you choose a song that's not designed for that and look for that in it? it's a fucking single for a basketball soundtrack and to promo drake...... it's not a heartfelt motion picture type of track and was never meant to be. if kids are looking for blocks that are square they pick up square blocks not triangles, that's pretty obvious moron.........

[T-MADDY]

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:)

[Nerd Motivation 101]

he's not spitting nonsense....... perhaps it goes over your head, but the verse makes complete sense to me.........

it's a bragger rap just like 90% of the rap songs out to date.....

people who enjoy lyrics enjoy eminem because he takes more time to compose & make the words & patterns fit into songs beats etc........

if you go in the booth plug up and let each mc spit, all the other mc's in that booth go damn he took more time with his shit and killed that........

I don't see why that's so difficult for people to understand? I mean you don't like it, but it's obviously lyrically sound..... nothing about that verse is even that wreckless, he got alot more crazy shit than that joint

and I quoted you on the position you took when you said "I AGREE WITH HIM ABOUT EMINEM"............ and then you quoted one song and talked about lyrical content, I figured even a small child could figure out if they were looking for deep meaningful songs they would plug into songs w/ that type of content.... why would you choose a song that's not designed for that and look for that in it? it's a fucking single for a basketball soundtrack and to promo drake...... it's not a heartfelt motion picture type of track and was never meant to be. if kids are looking for blocks that are square they pick up square blocks not triangles, that's pretty obvious moron.........

Yeah, I'm giving one of many examples of a fairly lackluster verse that viewed as the second coming..which was my point. Let me reiterate. He can spit a lackluster verse and it'll be viewed as the second coming.

I'm not even talking about deep meaningful lyrics. I'm talking about the fact that there is no word play in that verse at all. Its clever for its word structure not its word use.

Take Kanye.

"Super bad chicks giving me McLovin // You would think I ran the world like Michelle's husband"

Thats a fairly clever use of words.

Then look at Eminem's verse. Every bar is in support of the rhyme scheme. Isolate each bar and they are nothing special.

"there they go, back in stadiums // as shady spits his flow // nuts they go, macadamia they go so balistic whoa // we can make them look like bozo’s //
he’s wondering if he should spit this slow // fuck no go for broke,
his cup just runneth over oh no"

If you read that without hearing the song would you think that was dope? Like I said..he isn't SAYING anything.

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

Yeah, I'm giving one of many examples of a fairly lackluster verse that viewed as the second coming..which was my point. Let me reiterate. He can spit a lackluster verse and it'll be viewed as the second coming.
I'm not even talking about deep meaningful lyrics. I'm talking about the fact that there is no word play in that verse at all. Its clever for its word structure not its word use.

Take Kanye.

"Super bad chicks giving me McLovin // You would think I ran the world like Michelle's husband"

Thats a fairly clever use of words.

Then look at Eminem's verse. Every bar is in support of the rhyme scheme. Isolate each bar and they are nothing special.

"there they go, back in stadiums // as shady spits his flow // nuts they go, macadamia they go so balistic whoa // we can make them look like bozo’s //
he’s wondering if he should spit this slow // fuck no go for broke,
his cup just runneth over oh no"

If you read that without hearing the song would you think that was dope? Like I said..he isn't SAYING anything.


That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying he's wack..but every track he has touched since his return has been hailed as classic...lol

Like brother Nerd said, if you actually read the verse instead of hearing him spit it, you would be like..."OK"....nothing special about them joints

I can see if he said some shit like this:

I father, I Brooklyn Dodger them
I Jack, I Rob, I sin
Awww man, I'm Jackie Robinson
Except when I run base, I dodge the pen

Not hatin Eminem brother Q....I'm really not....its just that not everything he says is the best thing since sliced bread like the Internets make it out to be

[Qwasian]

the thing is your being close minded.........

I personally would think that verse written out was dope......."YES"

even without hearing him spit it...........

but me hearing you say that, means? what?

that you in your own mind are trying to discredit the lyrics by saying that he spits them phenomenally? and takes weak lyrics to another level?

ya'll are hating so hard that you don't even understand what your saying........


put bars on paper that are complex rhyme schemes, spit them with fury/passion/clarity/presence.........

just doing this will make you a dope mc......

eminem's lines won't be catchy to you like kanye's are because your a homo instead of an underprivelged white kid and I get that.......

but still? you gotta understand that the shit is ill........

if your looking for overly clever punchlines that's not what he does... stop trying to pigeon hole him into that category, that's not all raps about, thats' just your personal preference..........

in many cases I find kanye lines to be corny pop styled lyrics that I honestly believe he bought just like he bought his entire 808's & heartbreaks album.... but that's pointless to argue I guess, since most hiphop listeners are mindless zombies who don't have a clue wtf they are talking about

[Nerd Motivation 101]

Actually, Eminem made his career on clever punchlines. He was a battle rapper. And he was much more clever on SSLP and MMLP than he is now.

He's focused 100% on flow now but he aint saying nothing and you can't really refute that. All you can say is the rhyme scheme is complex which no one is even arguing against.

[Qwasian]

what artist that released music in the last decade has a better lyrical catalogue?

str8 up? and when you can't find one that went bar for bar then you have your answer as to why he's the greatest...... he padlocked his own genre in rap and it's not even questionable.......

your arguement are his punchlines aren't as witty as they once were? he did a concept album..... isn't that obvious?

your waiting to hear him do some crazy battle witty punchline in 2010? seriously?

[T-MADDY]

ayo I been told Q this shit since the loyd banks thread, when I said banks was more lyrical back then and hes not saying much now. the concept is over Q's head apparently and trying to grasp it brings him great distress.

[Qwasian]

ayo I been told Q this shit since the loyd banks thread, when I said banks was more lyrical back then and hes not saying much now. the concept is over Q's head apparently and trying to grasp it brings him great distress.

because it wasn't true, there is no concept to grasp, you definately ain't telling me shit about lloyd banks, I listen to every mixtape every track he ever did........ your full of shit.... he's just as lyrical/content heavy as he ever was, if not more so

eminem did a fucking concept album with relapse...... that's what moron's fail to understand.... when he wants to do heartfelt tracks like the concept on airplanes he killed that from his perspective as well..... so whats the point of what your saying?

your looking for battle rap lines? well he's not battle rapping...... and in my opinion his newer shit is way stronger than when he first started, I didn't really care for infinite and his first album that much.......

but realistically he got similiar concepts on his new album, where he kidnaps the girls and they can't break out the car etc...........

ya'll in fantasy land........ just hating on rap or tired of it..... because the content is just as good as it's ever been.........

word of advice to you..... when everybody considers eminem great and you don't, that means "YOU ARE WRONG"...... not the majority of the population

[Mercury]

I remember I was talking to my boy about the Em album, and he was like "I like Em but he was a lil too over the top on the album for no reason". I was like "i think that was the point of it" LOL.

I kinda went into listening to it expecting it to be crazy after the intro kinda set the tone for what the album was gonna be like.

Even though I'm a big Em fan, I really don't publicly take his side because i realize his brand of rap ain't for everybody. But I refuse to sit back when anybody says anybody other than him had the best verse in Forever LOL.

Drakes verse was solid. Lil Wayne's and Kanye's verse was okay at best. They could have been replaced by any 2 mainstream rappers and got the same effect, I felt they brung nothing to the song other than their names. Then Em SMASHED it.

[Nah]

I feel Dub and Strigs. Truth be told, I haven't been bumping Relapse or the Refill like that. It's only a few songs that he has released recently that's been getting any burn on my devices.

Oh yeah...Lloyd Banks is killing sht! His flow/wordplay is on sumphin' else right now.

[Qwasian]

exactly, em's lyrical level is so much higher than anyone on the track it's rediculous to even debate the shit...... I honestly started laughin at the screen when I saw that statement

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

I remember I was talking to my boy about the Em album, and he was like "I like Em but he was a lil too over the top on the album for no reason". I was like "i think that was the point of it" LOL.

I kinda went into listening to it expecting it to be crazy after the intro kinda set the tone for what the album was gonna be like.

Even though I'm a big Em fan, I really don't publicly take his side because i realize his brand of rap ain't for everybody. But I refuse to sit back when anybody says anybody other than him had the best verse in Forever LOL.

Drakes verse was solid. Lil Wayne's and Kanye's verse was okay at best. They could have been replaced by any 2 mainstream rappers and got the same effect, I felt they brung nothing to the song other than their names. Then Em SMASHED it.

With Eminem, the fight is automatically fixed. It's pointless getting on the same song as him or even battling him. Even if you rap better than Eminem (which some people do today), youre gonna lose. You can destroy Eminem pound for pound and eminem could say absolutely nothing and he will be hailed the winner and called the GOAT and shit like "he murdered it/him/her"

I'm not hating on the man....I just dont see how every god damn verse he kicks makes people fall out there chair and run around yelling "oh shit, he murdered it!!!"

the fuck?

[Qwasian]

With Eminem, the fight is automatically fixed. It's pointless getting on the same song as him or even battling him. Even if you rap better than Eminem (which some people do today), youre gonna lose. You can destroy Eminem pound for pound and eminem could say absolutely nothing and he will be hailed the winner and called the GOAT and shit like "he murdered it/him/her"

I'm not hating on the man....I just dont see how every god damn verse he kicks makes people fall out there chair and run around yelling "oh shit, he murdered it!!!"

the fuck?


your making up scenario's that never happened...... who today raps better than eminem? i'd like to hear you break that down and why?

who has "EVER" destroyed eminem pound for pound line for line on a track? shit has never happened as long as I been listening to music......


your living in fantasy land, none of the shit your talking about ever has occurred.... we talking facts not fiction

[Nah]

Rhymefest. ;)

Jokes people. Jokes.

[Mercury]

I don't think people automatically crown Eminem. In the forever song, I think the difference was clear as day!!

These are song songs where I could say "well, I can accept that" as far as someone spitting better than em on the same track
-Bad Meets Evil w/ Royce The 5'9"
-I forget the name of one song, but it was on one of those Green Lantern Shady Invasion CDs when they were dissing ja rule the entire CD. They had a posse cut with a lot of cats similiar to "go 2 sleep" with DMX but it wasn't that song. Banks MIGHT'VE got him on that joint but thats arguable
-I think Em spit better on renegade, but depending on what you are looking for I wouldn't argue against someone who said Jay-Z spit better. Or Royce on the original
-He was on one song on the NightLife EP by the Outsidaz that he was kinda weak on but nobody really came strong on that particular cut
-I don't agree with people saying he didn't have the hottest verse on the BET cypha, but I will accept anyone that says Joe Budden one. To me thats also an acceptable answer

I'm NOT saying Eminem always makes the best of songs. But I don't recall that many times where he didn't kill a feature.

[Qwasian]

Rhymefest. ;)

Jokes people. Jokes.

nothing was impressive at all about that battle on either end

[T-MADDY]

Oh yeah...Lloyd Banks is killing sht! His flow/wordplay is on sumphin' else right now.

flow=/=lyrics and we were discuss a particular song "beama benz or bentley" even tho the majority of his other stuff hes still not saying much.

-MAJORITY- being the key word.

[Qwasian]

that "NOT SAYING MUCH" shit is about the lamest fucking arguement I've ever heard, that's what everybody says when they don't like someone's music.....

who the fuck is ever saying anything? honestly? it's not about saying anything it's about wordplay, flow, style etc.........

lay off that corny shit with "NOT SAYING ANYTHING"............

if eminem or lloyd banks ain't saying anything, who the fuck is? honestly?

[T-MADDY]

Q, GTFO with that circular bullshit argument.

heres a rule of thump your favorite rapper ain't saying nothing. ask you to put up ya favorite line(2/3 lines), if you can put up something nice other than the whole verse you win.

[Qwasian]

just some quick joints........ also, please name that artist who is fucking with banks or em...... I have yet to see anyone post up, because as soon as you do i'm going to make your ass look like a fool


LLOYD BANKS

I'm born to win with the grind, my catalogue's will pack a crowd
Wrist fulla lights chain swingin' like Pacquiao



To fade me it's gon' take more than guts,
You need the eye of a tiger, heart of a Lion & King Kong's nuts



thank God for givin' Banks the gift
U think that bandana makes you look gangsta all I see is a handkerchief


I skeet babies on yo breezy,
& I aint stoppin, only jake the jacobs could freeze me



Leaves me & its bye bye gone
we got guns like popeye arms



Goldfish don't last only the sharks
you could swim in a boat, or get ya ass torn apart

[Qwasian]

I got more, thanks...... I'm waiting on your rapper/artist and the lines that are better....... thanks


waiting on my chick to get paid from her divorce split so she can buy me more shit


you try to play me, your blood will flow faster than ther old Jay-z


i stay wit da biscuit/only way i get blue balls is if da bitch got on blue lipstick



if its more than 1 hoe sit back and blow me/ and argue over my balls like shaq and kobe



gotta have bucks on the waist am hungry like a south african with files stuck to his face


My eyes all pokey and red cuz me and Buck like Smokey and Craig


fresh out the gutter scrap what ya man thought/i got my straps then a jansport



I go thru more tree's than tarzan


I'M BLAZIN PURPLE HAZEN EYES OF AN ASIAN I GAVE THEM FIRE LIKE THE CAVE MEN



ur shit neva gonna pop like ten gold chains, Thats why ur bitch is blowin on me like nintendo games


I know the watch botherin version reach and i'll put a dot on head like its part of ur religion

[Qwasian]

don't worry, muthafuckaz, i'll wait!!!! please post up....... and keep in mind I got a whole encylopedia full of banks punches on deck........... YOUR GO!

[Nah]

PLK

That is all.

You may continue...

[Mojo]

also, please name that artist who is fucking with banks or em......

Royce Da 5'9"

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

your making up scenario's that never happened...... who today raps better than eminem? i'd like to hear you break that down and why?

who has "EVER" destroyed eminem pound for pound line for line on a track? shit has never happened as long as I been listening to music......


your living in fantasy land, none of the shit your talking about ever has occurred.... we talking facts not fiction

You prove my point. The fight is fixed. You have already told yourself nobody can see Em....why even bother arguing? Nothing I say will change your mind so I won't bother.

[Qwasian]

You prove my point. The fight is fixed. You have already told yourself nobody can see Em....why even bother arguing? Nothing I say will change your mind so I won't bother.

who is your contestant to argue the point?

I would even give homey royce the 5'9, because I agree he has harder lines at times, but the thing is, he doesn't have the catalogue of banks or em...... and to me he is not as consistant and agressive overall.... he gets way more boring than banks voice ever could to me at times..... like to the point I agree he has hot bars but I can't even listen anymore...... his song value on the bars is lacking heavily.........

so if ya arguement is royce, I will "AGREE" that he has some harder punches at times. that's a valid arguement.... I like royce.

so you can name 1 mc that can even contend with banks or em? i'd say if they the top 3 in rap, royce, banks, em, that's doing pretty fucking good, and I can see why they would be praised the way they are. we talking the whole hiphop game and I say name who's better and I got 1 mc..

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

who is your contestant to argue the point?

I would even give homey royce the 5'9, because I agree he has harder lines at times, but the thing is, he doesn't have the catalogue of banks or em...... and to me he is not as consistant and agressive overall.... he gets way more boring than banks voice ever could to me at times..... like to the point I agree he has hot bars but I can't even listen anymore...... his song value on the bars is lacking heavily.........

so if ya arguement is royce, I will "AGREE" that he has some harder punches at times. that's a valid arguement.... I like royce.

so you can name 1 mc that can even contend with banks or em? i'd say if they the top 3 in rap, royce, banks, em, that's doing pretty fucking good, and I can see why they would be praised the way they are. we talking the whole hiphop game and I say name who's better and I got 1 mc..


joe budden................

[Qwasian]

joe budden................

i'll honor that one as well......

but what your failing to prove a point on is...... you said why is it everytime eminem drop a verse he get such praise........

joe budden and royce get equal praise, so this is not beyond the norm...........

who spits like that and doesn't get the praise i guess would be a more fitting arguement......

your original statement acted like em was spitting regular bars? and already you''ve compared him to joe budden? royce the 5'9? and you've been trapped by the way in the arguement incase you didn't notice........

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

i'll honor that one as well......

but what your failing to prove a point on is...... you said why is it everytime eminem drop a verse he get such praise........

joe budden and royce get equal praise, so this is not beyond the norm...........

who spits like that and doesn't get the praise i guess would be a more fitting arguement......

your original statement acted like em was spitting regular bars? and already you''ve compared him to joe budden? royce the 5'9? and you've been trapped by the way in the arguement incase you didn't notice........



Even when Em says nothing, its hailed as great. Seriously, this dude can say "my name is em, I hang with dem, I get a boost, you all are dumpster juice"

there would be 46545938457948 comments on every blog saying "OMG, fucking king...greatest ever"....lol

All im trying to say is he is sometimes overappreciated for average verses...thats all....

I would actually take lloyd, royce and budden over eminem...i would never place a bet on it though....why? the fight is fixed

[The Dre Era]

Em is on a decline

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

Em is on a decline

this dude......lol

[The Dre Era]

this dude......lol
pull up his numbers on the last album

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

pull up his numbers on the last album

Of course, Boyle can rest easy in knowing that her "Dream" is but one of just two albums to sell at least 3 million copies in the U.S. last year -- something that hasn't happened since 2006, when three albums did it. Boyle's "Dream" is also 2009's top selling album released last year (Swift's "Fearless" dropped in late 2008), and was also the top selling physical album of 2009. Of its overall 2009 total, physical CDs accounted for 3,019,000 copies, whereas digital downloads made up a rather tiny 86,000.


Michael Jackson's "Number Ones" is 2009's third biggest-selling album, with 2.36 million according to SoundScan, while Lady Gaga's "The Fame" is fourth with 2.24 million. Andrea Bocelli's recent release "My Christmas" powered through 2.21 million in just nine weeks, making it the year's fifth best. The soundtrack to "Hannah Montana: the Movie" is sixth (1.82 million), followed by the Black Eyed Peas' "The E.N.D." (No. 7 with 1.79 million), Eminem's "Relapse" (No. 8 with 1.74 million), Jay-Z's "The Blueprint 3" (No. 9 with 1.52 million) and Kings of Leon's "Only By the Night" (No. 10 with 1.40 million).


look at the list...nobody sells anymore...the biggest album of 2009 did 3 million...LOL

[T-MADDY]

just some quick joints........ also, please name that artist who is fucking with banks or em...... I have yet to see anyone post up, because as soon as you do i'm going to make your ass look like a fool


LLOYD BANKS

I'm born to win with the grind, my catalogue's will pack a crowd
Wrist fulla lights chain swingin' like Pacquiao



To fade me it's gon' take more than guts,
You need the eye of a tiger, heart of a Lion & King Kong's nuts



U think that bandana makes you look gangsta all I see is a handkerchief


I skeet babies on yo breezy,
& I aint stoppin, only jake the jacobs could freeze me



Leaves me & its bye bye gone
we got guns like popeye arms



Goldfish don't last only the sharks
you could swim in a boat, or get ya ass torn apart

alright nigga

now which one of these is off beama beans or bentley.....and which ones are off his latest songs?

is what I thought

[Qwasian]

alright nigga

now which one of these is off beama beans or bentley.....and which ones are off his latest songs?

is what I thought

oh I guess the song had to come out today in order to qualify? there are punchlines in this that came out this year...... off his last mixtape series.... he hasn't come out with a new album yet so you can't judge something that hasn't come out yet.......

his latest mixtape series/release was the PLK series...... over half of these are from that

[T-MADDY]

if eminem or lloyd banks ain't saying anything, who the fuck is? honestly?


irrelevant

please name that artist who is fucking with banks or em...... I have yet to see anyone post up, because as soon as you do i'm going to make your ass look like a fool



irrelevant

and keep in mind I got a whole encylopedia full of banks punches on deck........... YOUR GO!

irrelevant



Honestly Q, if you cant stay on topic why debate/argue anything.

eminem isn't saying anything really in that verse, banks aint saying too much
of anything in the recent songs i heard from him, the main song in question being "beama benz or bentley." thats my stance.

how does saying that make it okay for you to involve their whole catalog, your arguing a point that wasnt brought up.

this is literally me saying banks is rhyming just to rhyme and not saying anything in his new song and you bringing up all his old albums to justify the lyricism in his new song. or want me to find somebody that spits better than him and compare their whole catalogs, when a song and the verse in that song is independent and different from every other song.

there are plenty of songs eminem lyrically bodied, what does that have to do with this song? its NOT the same verse.

what is finding a rapper that did a better verse than this particular eminem verse proves? I dont get your logic. nas verse on 'no idea is original is better than eminems verse here.' we can debate I can tell you why I think so. does that equate to me saying nas is better than em or nas never had an un lyrical song?

NO!!!

all im saying is stay within the topic realm plz. you say no eminem verse here is lyrical, okay as opinions vary and you have the right to yours, but your not even arguing it or saying why you think so, your off on a tangent somewhere.


edit: not this verse, the forever verse, this I didn't hear yet and its gone now.

[Qwasian]

how is it irrelevant to compare other artists in the industry?

so your saying the entire rap industry isn't saying shit?

when you say beamer benz or bentley is your song that your putting up for banks and saying he isn't saying shit........ I know merc probably laughed like hell at that when you posted that........

this point blank proves that you don't listen to banks if your even speaking about beamer benz or bentley...... I can't even credit anyone who talks about that song period.......

if you want to stay on topic, the topic is the airplanes song.........

point #1, did you know that eminems entire flow in this song is interchangeable? all the bars rap, no matter where you put them? I'm curious as to if you even knew that.

point #2, it's a heartfelt song that touches other mc's to the core pretty much, as soon as I heard it I'm like this shit's pretty ill, he's basically doing the "LOSE YOURSELF" concept again on this track

point #3, you might not think he's saying anything, but millions across the internet disagree with you, so if I personally think the verse is ill, and the majority does also? what would make me agree or think anything of your opinion? you just sound stupid..........


on the forever verse........... NOBODY is saying anything, tons of raps are created with bragger raps, everybody in the industry does these style of raps, it's not a concept based song, you typically get deep meaning on a concept song, and just str8 spitting on singles & feature songs........so your looking for the wrong content in the wrong song and I already addressed that, maybe your too slow to catch it?

finding rappers with more meaning or more content is saying, em is putting up the best to offer, that's why he gets praised the way he does..... if you can't show me better, that means he's at the top, and even if you can show me other mc's that can hang with him, he's still at the top of the class because so far people named 2 other mc's in total that could even fuck with him.........

joe budden does alot of concept tracks, what are you looking for? eminem to do mood muzik mixtapes' then you'd be happy? budden is really the only one who does that shit..........

to me on forever, eminem came with creative rhyme styles, stepped it up a notch from anyone else on the track lyric & multi wise..... and when I heard the verse Im like damn he went harder than everybody else? what more can you expect from an mc?

if everybody plugged up in the booth that day at the same time, they all would have been looking at each other like damn he murdered that, maybe you've never been in a studio to record, but if anybody would have spit that verse, on that beat in any studio across america they would have been like "DAMMMMMN HE KILLED THAT SHIT"


I keep saying the same shit cuz i'm like? who the fuck do you listen to that justify's you to call em weak? and most can never post it up, who is creating hiphop tracks on a higher level? if you just don't like the state of hiphop that's one thing? but to say eminem is not on a high level is retarded

[Nerd Motivation 101]

Even though I'm a big Em fan, I really don't publicly take his side because i realize his brand of rap ain't for everybody. But I refuse to sit back when anybody says anybody other than him had the best verse in Forever LOL.

Drakes verse was solid. Lil Wayne's and Kanye's verse was okay at best. They could have been replaced by any 2 mainstream rappers and got the same effect, I felt they brung nothing to the song other than their names. Then Em SMASHED it.

This is the verse:

there they go, back in stadiums
as shady spits his flow
nuts they go, macadamia they go so balistic whoa,
we can make them look like boso’s,
he’s wondering if he should spit this slow,
fuck no go for broke,
his cup just runneth over oh no
he aint had a buzz like this since the last time he overdosed
they’ve been waiting patiently for pinocchio to poke his nose
back into the game and they know
rap will never be the same as before
bashing in the brains of these hoes
and establishing a name as he goes
the passion and the flame is ignited
you can’t put it out once we light it
this shit is exactly what the fuck i’m talking about when we riot
you dealin with a few true villians
whose staying inside of the booth truth spillin
and spit true feelings, till our tooth fillings come flying up out of our mouths
now rewind it
payback muthafucka for the way you got at me so how’s it taste?
when i slap the taste out your mouth with the bass so loud that it shakes the place
i’m hannibal lecter so just in case your thinking of saving face
you aint gonna have no face to save by the time im through with this place
so play some Drake….

Where are the hot lines in this verse?

Rhyme scheme is nice but the word play is nonexistant. What you say is just as important as how you deliver it. If not then just go ahead and crown Twista or Bizzy Bone the goat.

[Qwasian]

the rhyme scheme makes the bars clever... and that's pretty obvious

the rhyme of "Packing Stadiums" and "Macadamia"

"overdosed" "poke his nose"

it's the rhyme patter that makes the whole shit clever, then he brings it together & applies it to himself......

pinocchio, overdosing, and biting back at people who dissed him

then you flip it to crazy ass wordplay like these multiples

back into the game and they know
rap will never be the same as before
bashing in the brains of these hoes
and establishing a name as he goes


where the whole bars rhyme....... not just one or two words, but the whole bars, and he delivers it with a vengence...... i'm not sure what more you could have asked for on this particular track, he didn't really go punchline crazy I never really remember that being his thing to begin with. he always kinda rapped like this.



what exactly is it that your saying? show me the old verses of his that are so much better or more complex than this?

are u saying that he can't spit?

and to me 80% of rap is character, presence, deliver..... he created his lane to be able to spit like that and he can just complex and it works..... he has some dope lines in there to me.....I always thought the verse crushed everybody on it, and it was pretty uniform across the net the same

[T-MADDY]

how is it irrelevant to compare other artists in the industry?


because its off topic, man.


so your saying the entire rap industry isn't saying shit?


how the hell r u here, honestly?



when you say beamer benz or bentley is your song that your putting up for banks and saying he isn't saying shit........ I know merc probably laughed like hell at that when you posted that........


thats cool if merc laugh, we whole different standard for lyricism then. I welcome him to quote any line he believes banks puts any real effort/thought in, in that song. that should be easy for him.


this point blank proves that you don't listen to banks if your even speaking about beamer benz or bentley...... I can't even credit anyone who talks about that song period.......


not sure what ur talking about here. why shouldn't I talk about the song? its a perfect example if you ask me. dont see a problem.


if you want to stay on topic, the topic is the airplanes song.........


true but that is linked with past related topics. so referencing back to them should be acceptable.


point #1, did you know that eminems entire flow in this song is interchangeable? all the bars rap, no matter where you put them? I'm curious as to if you even knew that.


that would be perfect in a thread about eminem having no flow. its irrelevant here since flow=/=lyrics.



point #2, it's a heartfelt song that touches other mc's to the core pretty much, as soon as I heard it I'm like this shit's pretty ill, he's basically doing the "LOSE YOURSELF" concept again on this track


not arguing the feel/vibe of the song, man. if his lyrics touch you like that then its all good we have different lyrical standards, yes mines is superior to your.:) (hope we talking about the forever track)



point #3, you might not think he's saying anything, but millions across the internet disagree with you, so if I personally think the verse is ill, and the majority does also? what would make me agree or think anything of your opinion? you just sound stupid..........


you sound stupid with that majority equal right shit. soulja boy is/was popping with the majority, he must be a lyrical genius then.


on the forever verse........... NOBODY is saying anything, tons of raps are created with bragger raps, everybody in the industry does these style of raps, it's not a concept based song, you typically get deep meaning on a concept song, and just str8 spitting on singles & feature songs........so your looking for the wrong content in the wrong song and I already addressed that, maybe your too slow to catch it?


im taking a pass, not sure if ur agreeing or disagreeing with me by saying nobody is saying anything, which would include em and is what im saying.



finding rappers with more meaning or more content is saying, em is putting up the best to offer, that's why he gets praised the way he does..... if you can't show me better, that means he's at the top, and even if you can show me other mc's that can hang with him, he's still at the top of the class because so far people named 2 other mc's in total that could even fuck with him.........


thats fine and dandy but where did I say eminem aint a good rapper or even one of the best, where did anybody say that. I said his verse is weak. your arguing against somthing that was never brought up.


joe budden does alot of concept tracks, what are you looking for? eminem to do mood muzik mixtapes' then you'd be happy? budden is really the only one who does that shit..........


Im not looking for anything guy. the dude just had a weak verse. it happens, call a spade a spade.


to me on forever, eminem came with creative rhyme styles, stepped it up a notch from anyone else on the track lyric & multi wise..... and when I heard the verse Im like damn he went harder than everybody else? what more can you expect from an mc?


again we have different lyrical standards and dont think I think lyrics is only punchlines. nothing there was creative to me. Please quote what moved you, I probably missed it.



if everybody plugged up in the booth that day at the same time, they all would have been looking at each other like damn he murdered that, maybe you've never been in a studio to record, but if anybody would have spit that verse, on that beat in any studio across america they would have been like "DAMMMMMN HE KILLED THAT SHIT"


thanks for your opinion, he didn't kill shit lyrically tho. his verse is substandard especially for an eminem verse. it is weak, lyrically, but people would always say he murdered it and thats kinda the point. granted I understand lyrics dont make a track or determine fully whether or not somebody murdered something, but we established were talking about lyrics so, yea, he didnt murder shit.



I keep saying the same shit cuz i'm like? who the fuck do you listen to that justify's you to call em weak? and most can never post it up, who is creating hiphop tracks on a higher level? if you just don't like the state of hiphop that's one thing? but to say eminem is not on a high level is retarded
[/quote]

it doesn't make sense or logic to post up another emcee, in my experience I've never came across a lyrically consistent emcee on such a level. you want me to introduce a emcee that never had a weak track, I cant do it. apparently u can for eminem and im going to disagree with you.

[Qwasian]

this character is hilarious, NEXT

[T-MADDY]

^^^I like your presentation in the quote before. if I didnt spend so much time typing the other stuff I would show/tell you why I think differently but im going to sleep. and no homie ur hilarious.

[Qwasian]

you lost me, at this point I have no clue what the fuck your talking about, you went completely left with that bullshit

[T-MADDY]

the fuck are YOU talking about. I agree with the shit nerd said about the verse...you showed why u think its dope, cool, I give you props for the breakdown.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

the rhyme scheme makes the bars clever... and that's pretty obvious

the rhyme of "Packing Stadiums" and "Macadamia"

"overdosed" "poke his nose"

it's the rhyme patter that makes the whole shit clever, then he brings it together & applies it to himself......

pinocchio, overdosing, and biting back at people who dissed him

then you flip it to crazy ass wordplay like these multiples

back into the game and they know
rap will never be the same as before
bashing in the brains of these hoes
and establishing a name as he goes


where the whole bars rhyme....... not just one or two words, but the whole bars, and he delivers it with a vengence...... i'm not sure what more you could have asked for on this particular track, he didn't really go punchline crazy I never really remember that being his thing to begin with. he always kinda rapped like this.



what exactly is it that your saying? show me the old verses of his that are so much better or more complex than this?

are u saying that he can't spit?

and to me 80% of rap is character, presence, deliver..... he created his lane to be able to spit like that and he can just complex and it works..... he has some dope lines in there to me.....I always thought the verse crushed everybody on it, and it was pretty uniform across the net the same

Ok..we're back to the "look at the rhyme scheme...he made lots of words rhyme in the middle of the bar!!". Great. I said the rhyme scheme was complex at least....500 times in this thread.

Didn't say he can't spit. Said the verse isn't that great but is hyped up as the best thing to happen to humanity since Jesus's birth. Its not a bad verse. Its not a wack verse. Its not the greatest verse ever written.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

the fuck are YOU talking about. I agree with the shit nerd said about the verse...you showed why u think its dope, cool, I give you props for the breakdown.

Notice what we have to keep saying over and over and over.

"I never said..."

Go right ahead and Ctrl-C that into your clipboard because you're going to be typing that a lot of you plan on continuing to post in this thread.

[Qwasian]

Ok..we're back to the "look at the rhyme scheme...he made lots of words rhyme in the middle of the bar!!". Great. I said the rhyme scheme was complex at least....500 times in this thread.

Didn't say he can't spit. Said the verse isn't that great but is hyped up as the best thing to happen to humanity since Jesus's birth. Its not a bad verse. Its not a wack verse. Its not the greatest verse ever written.

NOBODY and I do mean absolutely NOBODY called it the greatest verse ever written........... it's like your arguing for no reason just to be an asshole, nobody even said it's eminem best verse or anything like that, what was said is it's a hot verse, on a hot song, and he did the best of the mc's on the track.. that's really all that was said and you gone wild like people said it was the best em verse, or most complex em verse, NOBODY ever said that, so now who is really going OFF TOPIC?

[Qwasian]

Notice what we have to keep saying over and over and over.

"I never said..."

Go right ahead and Ctrl-C that into your clipboard because you're going to be typing that a lot of you plan on continuing to post in this thread.

you keep saying the same shit, but NOBODY had the other half of the arguement, that's the whole fucking point that you clowns come in here talking crazy.... the original shit was basically dissing em....and then you gave the forever verse... so we debated that he was one of the best, putting in the most effort with complex rhyme schemes lately and that's why he's getting praise, after all the original topic was why does eminem get praise for his verses when you see them as average, cuz them bitches ain't average THATS WHY, point proven over & over & over, ya'll silly muthafuckaz took it somewhere else, not even eminem stans all across the internet think that's the best or even a top eminem verse.

so you say, em isn't that great, his verses aren't talking about shit, so I reply with who is talking about shit then? and I get 2 mc's.... so my arguement at that point is, if he's in the top 3 mc's out of the entire rap game, he's DOIN IT! period