Quad Core Pros Q and everybody who knows a thing or 2

[smooth]

I'm ready to get a new machine for my studio work and photos/vids etc. 2 weeks max..

I need some beast ish....post up your links to good machines for the low..

i have decided to boycott mac yet again....

keep in mind

i record with pro tools heavy,
i do photos
and hd videos 1080p max

[The Dre Era]

currently building my PC from scratch

my spec list for now
http://i38.tinypic.com/29zzzua.jpg

[smooth]

i see what ya doing! niiiice,

but i need like 8gb-16gb of ram....ya dig?

[The Dre Era]

i see what ya doing! niiiice,

but i need like 8gb-16gb of ram....ya dig?

truthfully you don't really need that much ram as long as you have a strong board
SSD is also the way to go in regards to installing your operating system on it.

[smooth]

yeah???

i just dont want any delay/lag in my music and i got all of these videos that i edit...shit takes alot of cpu power ya dig?/

[The Dre Era]

yeah???

i just dont want any delay/lag in my music and i got all of these videos that i edit...shit takes alot of cpu power ya dig?/
definitely invest in a SSD drive then
your computer will but up beyond fast and no lag
but only use it to store your operating system

[Qwasian]

whats your budget........

building a computer lately is useless, my computer stomps that one dre built into the ground and costs less. mine was like $950 i7 chip 8gb memory...... from best buy, dell joint.

your basically just looking for a i7 or the phenom joints, that's what pro's are using as far as recording/designing/processing etc.

im bout to buy a phenom joint & upgrade you can get em under or around $1000

[The Dre Era]

i7 is really pointless compared to a i5
oh and Intel kills AMD

[Qwasian]

how is it pointless when you can buy a computer with more memory & faster processor for less?

more processing speed is never pointless, especially when dealing with multi-media, recording, editing etc.

faster is "ALWAYS" better.

the intel chip isn't any faster, it's better for overclocking "ONLY" which i'm sure you or him won't be doing.

one of the main focus of buying a computer when your someone like smooth is buying the cheapest possible computer, with the best possible speed/results, and you get that from an AMD chip.

intel chip is great, but he won't be using it for 50 years, won't be overclocking, and most likely won't want to pay atleast double for it. so it's actual value/use is ZERO in his case.

[The Dre Era]

how is it pointless when you can buy a computer with more memory & faster processor for less?

more processing speed is never pointless, especially when dealing with multi-media, recording, editing etc.

faster is "ALWAYS" better.

the intel chip isn't any faster, it's better for overclocking "ONLY" which i'm sure you or him won't be doing.

ask any expert and they will tell you "money wise" its best to go with the i5

[Qwasian]

ask any expert and they will tell you "money wise" its best to go with the i5

based on what? your i5 is more expensive than my i7, and doesn't process as fast. what is the advantage to it? break it down "EXPERT"

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

here we go again....

http://i42.tinypic.com/23sgbvb.jpg

[Qwasian]

the i5 chip is 2.66ghz the i7 chip is 2.80ghz, by the way my computer is not AMD, it's intel.

I don't really see any possible way you can even attempt to justify the lie of saying the i5 is better, i've owned it, and it's not. the i7 is definately faster. by a long shot.

also best buy has your same computer for alot less with better spec's...... putting computers together is old school. that shit is a lost art.

[The Dre Era]

based on what? your i5 is more expensive than my i7, and doesn't process as fast. what is the advantage to it? break it down "EXPERT"

let me simplify it for ya

1) Cheaper than an i7 920
2) Just as fast (for gaming)
3) Uses much less power
4) Overclocks well (perhaps even better than the i7 920

[The Dre Era]

im bout to buy a phenom joint & upgrade you can get em under or around $1000

you said you was upgrading to a AMD which is a phenom

[Qwasian]

you said you was upgrading to a AMD which is a phenom

and is a 6 core processor that will blow your shit out the water "FOR LESS"

[Qwasian]

let me simplify it for ya

1) Cheaper than an i7 920 (which is why you buy the AMD faster chip)
2) Just as fast (for gaming) (False Report, Check The Benchmarks)
3) Uses much less power (Who really gives a fuck? im not trying to knock pennies off my light bill, i'm str8)
4) Overclocks well (perhaps even better than the i7 920 (none of you will be overclocking your machine & using it for something that matters, stop lying to yourself)




your arguing for no reason, the chip is not cheaper or faster than what I purchased. the faster chips come cheaper in packaged PC's. that's the whole point

[The Dre Era]

and is a 6 core processor that will blow your shit out the water "FOR LESS"
blow what out the water

[The Dre Era]

your arguing for no reason, the chip is not cheaper or faster than what I purchased. the faster chips come cheaper in packaged PC's. that's the whole point

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit

[Qwasian]

blow what out the water

an i5 chip in that computer you said you were putting together above, you know? the one you posted a setup for that was overpriced?

[The Dre Era]

an i5 chip in that computer you said you were putting together above, you know? the one you posted a setup for that was overpriced?
my price his high because of the SSD drive and blueray
SSD's are expensive but definitely worth it.
also about to upgrade to a HDMI tv card
the price is high but im stalling exactly what i want getting the maximum use out my PC

[Qwasian]

HP - Pavilion Desktop / AMD Phenom™ II Processor / 8GB Memory / 1TB Hard Drive

$709.99



this computer bangz all over your computer and saves over $300


U = FAIL

6 CORE 2.8 ghz each RULES YOUR LIFE............

[The Dre Era]

HP - Pavilion Desktop / AMD Phenom™ II Processor / 8GB Memory / 1TB Hard Drive

$709.99



this computer bangz all over your computer and saves over $300


U = FAIL

6 CORE 2.8 ghz each RULES YOUR LIFE............
with my SSD that computer is garbage compared to mine and
in regards to what im putting in it

[Qwasian]

I think one thing you are failing to realize, is I actually use my computer on a daily basis, processing video, audio, graphics, etc. so I have actual experience with each level of chip, and you fail, because I have actually used the shit as a workhorse machine for days on end, and sleepless nights.......

so u = FAIL SOUP

[The Dre Era]

I think one thing you are failing to realize, is I actually use my computer on a daily basis, processing video, audio, graphics, etc. so I have actual experience with each level of chip, and you fail, because I have actually used the shit as a workhorse machine for days on end, and sleepless nights.......

so u = FAIL SOUP
soooo you act like you the only one that uses a computer on a daily basis
and you act like i don't work with computers every day and will walk across the stage to receive my Masters in IT Information Assurance (Homeland Security) in may
yeh you fail at always assuming what you know about the next man and downplaying any and everything everybody else does compared to you
Enjoy your bestbuy computer

yeh continue on...

[Qwasian]

an $89 ssd drive is easily purchased by smooth if he wanted to make that upgrade and would still be way faster & cheaper than your machine.

if you work on computers everyday, that's great, but you go to "WORK" to do that, how would that apply to speed on a home computer that your building?

information assurance is also not a field that has anything to do with processing of large files & multi-media.

im not downplaying what you do, but I don't see how it applies here what so ever, I actually do what smooth is trying to do or something similiar to it, and you do something completely different.

the best buy computer has the same parts dumb ass.... you haven't purchased anything different by fucking with new egg, your exact parts in a packaged machine are cheaper even from newegg...... so really your just being an argumentative moron.

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

get this shit and call it a day

http://cgi.ebay.com/INTEL-CORE-i7-980X-24-GB-RAM-NVIDIA-4-WAY-NV4000-/300453429844?pt=Desktop_PCs

[anti]

lol @ q.

building computers are definitely a lost art. i buy my shits full assembled retail all day all night, last one i got was an HP refurb, 2.6 quad amd w/ 8 gigs ram and 500gb HD, WITH A Windows 7 license.

shit cost me $350 from tiger direct.

this is so the way to go now... i remember i'd drop $400 for a retail box intel p3-550ghz cpu alone back in the days! what the fuck you young bitches know about Cyrix tho? SLC's without the math-co... who used to run game w/ wolfenstein, rott, and commander motherfuckin' keeeeen! MarketPro computer shows at the fairgrounds and showplace. 2400 baud modems and Chat City, Blue Ridge Express and Malice in Plunderlannnnnd??? Who rock what with THEDRAW and iCE ANSi art?

i'll pkunzip C:\*.zip the fuck out yo ho's cuz im the originoo richmond computa hussla... bieeeetchez!

[goliath]

lol @ q.

building computers are definitely a lost art. i buy my shits full assembled retail all day all night, last one i got was an HP refurb, 2.6 quad amd w/ 8 gigs ram and 500gb HD, WITH A Windows 7 license.

shit cost me $350 from tiger direct.

this is so the way to go now... i remember i'd drop $400 for a retail box intel p3-550ghz cpu alone back in the days! what the fuck you young bitches know about Cyrix tho? SLC's without the math-co... who used to run game w/ wolfenstein, rott, and commander motherfuckin' keeeeen! MarketPro computer shows at the fairgrounds and showplace. 2400 baud modems and Chat City, Blue Ridge Express and Malice in Plunderlannnnnd??? Who rock what with THEDRAW and iCE ANSi art?

i'll pkunzip C:\*.zip the fuck out yo ho's cuz im the originoo richmond computa hussla... bieeeetchez!

lol.

I built myself a Core i7 920, 6 GB beast with a Radeon 5850 last christmas $for 1300. The only thing I'd do is buy some more RAM eventually (though I haven't really needed it), and eventually get RAID going.... I've run multiple virtual machines on this while doing photoshop work (with Indesign and Illustrator open in the background) and a whole host of other programs open and never crashed it.

A few tips:

1) the i7 CRUSHES the i5. It's not even in the same class. the i5 is an "everyday user" chip and the i3 is a budget chip. Clock frequencies can't be directly compared between chips anymore - hence the naming scheme.

2) Where you'll start to see real advances is 64-bit computing. i won't get into the details, but as more and more software gets ported over, you'll see more improvements. Don't skimp out and get win7 32-bit or a chipset that can't handle 64-bit computing. Anything written in 32-bit can still run in win7 64, but not vice versa.

3) In THEORY, SSD's are better, but for write intensive use (that means ANY sort of production work - video, audio or graphics) it's a bad idea. Your drive will burn up quick - there's a limited amount of writes the drives can handle and it's much less than a regular hard drive. You're better off setting up RAID until they improve SSD's Also, you'll get way more space for your money.

4) Windows 7 sucks for firewire. I don't use any usb enclosures on this machine, but I had to pull my firewire drives out of their enclosures. They have widespread driver issues that they STILL haven't fixed (mainly involving multiple datastreams on the same device chain).

5) 6 gigs is enough for most people (and was the sweet spot pricewise when I bought it). More important is the SPEED of the ram. Always go for the max your processor/board can handle.

6) Build your own machine. If you can handle lego, you can build a computer. Seriously.

7) Get a videocard with directX 11, unless you're cheap - then buy a shitty card until the DX11 cards drop in price. Don't buy a pricey DX10-only card. Why buy a generation back and pay so much. Either go all out now, or cheap out and then upgrade.

[The Dre Era]

lol.

I built myself a Core i7 920, 6 GB beast with a Radeon 5850 last christmas $for 1300. The only thing I'd do is buy some more RAM eventually (though I haven't really needed it), and eventually get RAID going.... I've run multiple virtual machines on this while doing photoshop work (with Indesign and Illustrator open in the background) and a whole host of other programs open and never crashed it.

A few tips:

1) the i7 CRUSHES the i5. It's not even in the same class. the i5 is an "everyday user" chip and the i3 is a budget chip. Clock frequencies can't be directly compared between chips anymore - hence the naming scheme.

2) Where you'll start to see real advances is 64-bit computing. i won't get into the details, but as more and more software gets ported over, you'll see more improvements. Don't skimp out and get win7 32-bit or a chipset that can't handle 64-bit computing. Anything written in 32-bit can still run in win7 64, but not vice versa.

3) In THEORY, SSD's are better, but for write intensive use (that means ANY sort of production work - video, audio or graphics) it's a bad idea. Your drive will burn up quick - there's a limited amount of writes the drives can handle and it's much less than a regular hard drive. You're better off setting up RAID until they improve SSD's Also, you'll get way more space for your money.

4) Windows 7 sucks for firewire. I don't use any usb enclosures on this machine, but I had to pull my firewire drives out of their enclosures. They have widespread driver issues that they STILL haven't fixed (mainly involving multiple datastreams on the same device chain).

5) 6 gigs is enough for most people (and was the sweet spot pricewise when I bought it). More important is the SPEED of the ram. Always go for the max your processor/board can handle.

6) Build your own machine. If you can handle lego, you can build a computer. Seriously.

7) Get a videocard with directX 11, unless you're cheap - then buy a shitty card until the DX11 cards drop in price. Don't buy a pricey DX10-only card. Why buy a generation back and pay so much. Either go all out now, or cheap out and then upgrade.

SSDs have greatly improved and are great for just running you operating system on while using a HD for storage

[goliath]

SSDs have greatly improved and are great for just running you operating system on while using a HD for storage

they're still not at an acceptable level for studio professionals. Unless you want to swap out your drive every couple of years....

Personally, reliability is primary for me, speed is a close second. I can't afford to lose data or have my machine down - the amount of time getting everything back up will be much more than the speed gains from an SSD.

[Qwasian]

go into best buy, look for a quad core, purchase..... easy.......

you can't go wrong with that. and if you got the money get the 6 core joint.

anything else you can easily add to it anyway that they talking about.

STR8 BINGO!!! CHINGO BLINGO!!! BINGO!!!!

[The Dre Era]

they're still not at an acceptable level for studio professionals. Unless you want to swap out your drive every couple of years....

Personally, reliability is primary for me, speed is a close second. I can't afford to lose data or have my machine down - the amount of time getting everything back up will be much more than the speed gains from an SSD.
Intel guarantees that you can write 100GB of data to one of its SSDs every day, for the next five years, and your data will remain intact.

[Mojo]

here we go again....

http://i42.tinypic.com/23sgbvb.jpg

What ever happened to her?

[Nerd Motivation 101]

i5 750 is the sweet spot in terms of price/performance as far as intel goes.

The i7 920 performs slightly better in benchmarks but its very similar to the i5 750. The key differentiator is that the i7 920 has hyperthreaded cores (both are quad-core physically but the 920 can simulate 2 cores per physical core) which is why it benchmarks better (with benchmarking software that is multi-threaded and designed to perform better with more cores..in the real world a lot software isn't as lucky) but it costs $100 more. Will you notice the performance difference? Maybe..it depends on your usage. Its not as cut and dry as "any i7" > "any i5" unless money is no object (and marginal performance gains are justified no matter the price increase) in which case you shouldn't consider the i7 920 either. Just drop a G on the i7 980 X (just CPU not whole machine) and be done with it.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

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video encoding:

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For my money I would probably go for the i5 750 (over the i7 920) but thats just me.

[Qwasian]

the i5 is great, the only issue is that it's about the same as the i7 when packaged and the packaged models are cheaper than building your own typically when just purchasing them from a store, so it really doesn't make sense, you only pay maybe $100 more if that for twice the ram & more speed. that's a no brainer to me.

9 times outta 10 he's not going to build his machine etc. the easiest most cost effective method is just walk in the joint & buy a comp.

when packaged the i5 is great. but almost identical in price, which is my whole point.


they got a phenom 6 core 8gb ram computer for 700 man.....

so realistically smooth could walk in best buy and buy that joint and compete directly neck & neck with anything your talking about, if not surpass it.

what is the point to talk anymore past that fact? if your computer won't perform better & alot cheaper, your wasting your breath.

that computer is a $700 BEAST of a machine....... that shit will chew up & spit out any of the video, photoshop shit he throws at it.

ya'll are making great comparisons and all, but when you actually work with a computer, and go in the field and buy one, you don't wanna fuck with new egg, tiger direct etc then have to wait on it, fuck with the shipping etc.

you need shit you can buy, work with immediately.

and that mac shit is a whole other story..... those are basically pretty money traps.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

Which model i7 though? There are i7s that I would pass on for the i5 750 any day of the week if they were priced the same. There are crappy i5s as well. Saying an i7 is only $100 more with more ram isn't saying much. If its an i7 975 then hell yeah thats a steal.

[Elevate Get High]

what do you guys do with your old boxes? I got like 4 outdated pieces of shit lying around I feel like a retired pimp in an old folks home with all these burnt out boxes

[The Dre Era]

For my money I would probably go for the i5 750 (over the i7 920) but thats just me.
gives you a virtual high five
Thank You
http://cdn.picapp.com/ftp/Images/0259/0d5ded7a-987a-4065-a172-ee0a8e0534ef.jpg?adImageId=2226678&imageId=263354

[Mercury]

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[goliath]

i5 750 is the sweet spot in terms of price/performance as far as intel goes.

The i7 920 performs slightly better in benchmarks but its very similar to the i5 750. The key differentiator is that the i7 920 has hyperthreaded cores (both are quad-core physically but the 920 can simulate 2 cores per physical core) which is why it benchmarks better (with benchmarking software that is multi-threaded and designed to perform better with more cores..in the real world a lot software isn't as lucky) but it costs $100 more. Will you notice the performance difference? Maybe..it depends on your usage. Its not as cut and dry as "any i7" > "any i5" unless money is no object (and marginal performance gains are justified no matter the price increase) in which case you shouldn't consider the i7 920 either. Just drop a G on the i7 980 X (just CPU not whole machine) and be done with it.

Well for the $100 difference, I still think it's worth it. $100 is pretty minimal, and as more software takes advantage of multithreading, you'll start to notice more of a difference.

Not to mention, I can buy a 980X and pop it into my board when the prices drop and sell my 920. If I bought an i5 board, I'm stuck with the i5 - I'd have to buy a whole new board entirely to upgrade to the i7, which would cost me more than $100 (not including the time it would take to rip out the board and reconnect everything).

[goliath]

what do you guys do with your old boxes? I got like 4 outdated pieces of shit lying around I feel like a retired pimp in an old folks home with all these burnt out boxes

Either turn them into servers (one's an exclusive torrenting machine), or donate them to my parents. Or a media centre. I dunno, get creative and dedicate a task to each machine. I only have 2 desktops (my i7, and my old P4) and a handful of laptops (torrenting machine, a DivX player for my gym, a couple collecting dust, and one for travel/remote access).

[Qwasian]

gives you a virtual high five
Thank You]

this would make sense if the chip he was talking about was the one I was talking about, but it's not.... also I have referenced best buy computers several times so I feel like you should know what chips i'm speaking on vs the others...

and I don't really understand the logic behind saying you would get a slower chip, but to each his own I guess.

energy efficient and cooler running doesn't really mean shit to me, it effects me ZERO. I need speed.

[Qwasian]

what do you guys do with your old boxes? I got like 4 outdated pieces of shit lying around I feel like a retired pimp in an old folks home with all these burnt out boxes

I have had "SOME" older computers actually have some type of issue with them and quick working, maybe a short or something in em? i'ono... but for all the ones that still work I give to family members, gave a few to my parents, and set some up for the kids in the other room so they can get on em. if they too old I just throw em away.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

Well for the $100 difference, I still think it's worth it. $100 is pretty minimal, and as more software takes advantage of multithreading, you'll start to notice more of a difference.

Not to mention, I can buy a 980X and pop it into my board when the prices drop and sell my 920. If I bought an i5 board, I'm stuck with the i5 - I'd have to buy a whole new board entirely to upgrade to the i7, which would cost me more than $100 (not including the time it would take to rip out the board and reconnect everything).

Now that I've looked at the benchmarks, I don't think there is any performance gain at all. I think you paid $100 more for a 7 on the box basically.

And the way prices fall and technology advances, I wouldn't pay $100 now with the hope of upgrading in the future. By the time you go to upgrade there will probably be SandyBridge processors out that blow the 980 to dust and potentially require a different socket type anyway.

[Qwasian]

but, they have 6 core phenom machines for $700..... so you fail.......

check the benchmark on that..... BONG!

[The Dre Era]

Now that I've looked at the benchmarks, I don't think there is any performance gain at all. I think you paid $100 more for a 7 on the box basically.

And the way prices fall and technology advances, I wouldn't pay $100 now with the hope of upgrading in the future. By the time you go to upgrade there will probably be SandyBridge processors out that blow the 980 to dust and potentially require a different socket type anyway.
yeh thats what they fail to realize
there is not a huge gain if any at all
not worth it.

[Qwasian]

yeh thats what they fail to realize
there is not a huge gain if any at all
not worth it.

worth what you retard? it's CHEAPER!!!! HELL THE FUCK O???

the i7 i'm speaking on is cheaper than the i5 you put together on new egg. that's the whole point that you seem to keep bypassing....

the benchmark right there that he posted is "THAT ITS FASTER" and it's "CHEAPER" than what your putting together.

NOT WORTH WHAT? is my question.

your telling me that 6 core phenom ain't worth 700? if that's your opinion then kill yourself, cuz it will blow away that i5 you put together, easily, the benchmarks for the 6 core are "WAAAAYYYY FASTER" on "EVERYTHING"

[smooth]

im never gonna finish reading this lmao hahaha yesterday it was 1 page, today its 5 lmao

ok 6 core or i7 980x (are they the same?) are what you all are agreeing on for the most part??

my budget will be 1200 cash...if i can get in the 8-900 price range that would be great, may even buy a monitor or tv to attach to it, prolly craigs list the monitor that comes with it(if it comes with it nowadays)

[B.G.]

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DITTO (character limit)

[Nerd Motivation 101]

if that's your opinion then kill yourself, cuz it will blow away that i5 you put together, easily, the benchmarks for the 6 core are "WAAAAYYYY FASTER" on "EVERYTHING"

Is that so?

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/amdphenomiix6_042610231918/22618.png


http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/amdphenomiix6_042610231918/22613.png


http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/amdphenomiix6_042610231918/22632.png

Its not blowing anything away in benchmarks. The reason? Very little software actually takes advantage of 6 cores. And each individual core is relatively weak. There is a reason why the X6 1090T has a MSRP of $300 while the 980 X MSRPs for a G. Its good value for the money...but its not blowing anything away like you're suggesting.

[Qwasian]

the 6 core above is faster in every single aspect test, how is it not blowing everything away?

[Nerd Motivation 101]

the 6 core above is faster in every single aspect test, how is it not blowing everything away?

Yeah the $1000 980 X is better in every bench mark not the phenom II which is the one you're talking about.

[The Dre Era]

Yeah the $1000 980 X is better in every bench mark not the phenom II which is the one you're talking about.
Bingo.........

[Mr.T]

Ayo...fuck smooth for asking questions on here....lol



:cool: I need a translator for 97% of this shit

[goliath]

Is that so?

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/amdphenomiix6_042610231918/22618.png


http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/amdphenomiix6_042610231918/22613.png


http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/amdphenomiix6_042610231918/22632.png

Its not blowing anything away in benchmarks. The reason? Very little software actually takes advantage of 6 cores. And each individual core is relatively weak. There is a reason why the X6 1090T has a MSRP of $300 while the 980 X MSRPs for a G. Its good value for the money...but its not blowing anything away like you're suggesting.

With the exception of "overall", the i7 920 beats out the i5, and even in "overall", the difference is marginal. Not to mention, the upgradability - I've read that intel has committed to the LGA1366 for it's high end processors whereas, they've already admitted they're already working close to the limits wth LGA1156 (with their LGA1156 version of the i7 - the 8xx series)

[Nerd Motivation 101]

With the exception of "overall", the i7 920 beats out the i5, and even in "overall", the difference is marginal. Not to mention, the upgradability - I've read that intel has committed to the LGA1366 for it's high end processors whereas, they've already admitted they're already working close to the limits wth LGA1156 (with their LGA1156 version of the i7 - the 8xx series)

"Next is Sandy Bridge 'E' (Enthusiast or Extreme, take your pick) 'Patsburg' platform, which features a huge new LGA2011 socket to replace LGA1366 in Q3 next year"

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/04/21/intel-sandy-bridge-details-of-the-next-gen/1

By Q3 2011 LGA1366 will be replaced by LGA2011 on the high end according to this. Why spend that $100 now for an easier upgrade path to an obsolete processor? Unless you're going to upgrade prior to 2011 Q3..but why? i5 750 will be a adequate processor for atleast the next couple years..by then 8-core processors will be the latest and greatest not to mention that there will probably be processor priced around $200 that will blow the 980 X out of the water.

[goliath]

that sucks. I guess things have changed since I did my research. *shrug*.

[Qwasian]

Yeah the $1000 980 X is better in every bench mark not the phenom II which is the one you're talking about.

compare pricing...... give me the price on a setup with 980x vs the $700 phenom II setup. or the i7 setup.

your arguing for NO reason what so ever, cost wise these are not better options. a computer with it is not even in his price range.

and when software updates it the phenom would have to be the faster chip heading into the future, why would they make a 6 core chip that performed worse than a 4? there is a reason behind making it in the first place.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

compare pricing...... give me the price on a setup with 980x vs the $700 phenom II setup. or the i7 setup.

your arguing for NO reason what so ever, cost wise these are not better options. a computer with it is not even in his price range.

and when software updates it the phenom would have to be the faster chip heading into the future, why would they make a 6 core chip that performed worse than a 4? there is a reason behind making it in the first place.

NO you're arguing for no reason because I never said that he shouldn't buy a phenom II. I said it was good value for the money but its patently retarded to suggest it blows everything out of the water like you did because it doesn't. Those are just facts. I have nice little charts to prove it..what do you have? Other than completely uninformed idle speculation?

[Qwasian]

EVERYTHING IN HIS PRICE RANGE FAM........ of course you can put a $3,000 computer up against it and it will win. for $700 you really can't buy a package that performs better is what i'm saying. you have to strike alot of stuff off the list because it's out the range/price. you are absolutely correct that the i7 980x performs the best. I agree. the whole point of the thread is getting the fastest, best computer/value. not just the fastest & best at whatever cost.

[anti]

http://craphound.com/images/xkcdwrongoninternet.jpg

[Jeff Sticks]

http://craphound.com/images/xkcdwrongoninternet.jpg

Omg, this is freakin' hilarious!!!

[Nerd Motivation 101]

EVERYTHING IN HIS PRICE RANGE FAM........ of course you can put a $3,000 computer up against it and it will win. for $700 you really can't buy a package that performs better is what i'm saying. you have to strike alot of stuff off the list because it's out the range/price. you are absolutely correct that the i7 980x performs the best. I agree. the whole point of the thread is getting the fastest, best computer/value. not just the fastest & best at whatever cost.

I'm not sure what you're talking about here. But the phenom II doesn't blow away any of the i7s nor the i5 750 in the benchmarks. And I never suggested or even inferred that he should buy a 980 X.

As far as a $700 computer with a phenom...it depends. The processor is not the be all, end all of computer performance. In many cases, the processor is bottlenecked by other hardware. The benchmarks I've posted showed performance of machines where all other hardware is constant. But you could easily build a machine with i5 750 that outperformed the phenom II in certain areas if you took the $100 you saved and got a beefier GPU for instance. I want to see full specs for a $700 computer with a phenom II because its very possible that they cut corners on other things.

[The Dre Era]

Preach Brotha!

[Qwasian]

what part of he's not going to build his own computer he's going to walk in & buy one can you not understand? honestly? and they are priced pretty much based on speed/performance when you purchase them from the store.

you turning some simple shit into a debate that no one is apart of, no point in really debating benchmark tests they are cut & dry. we agree. what the fuck are you still talking for? or about?

it's not any new information that certain processors can be beefed up etc, he's not building a fucking computer DUMB ASS!!! HELLO?????

your talking over & over & over about shit that doesn't pertain.

when you walk into a best buy, $700 gets you a phenom, and around $900 gets you an i7 machine.

if you want to debate something, debate the computers/chips at best buy, THAT IS ALL THAT PERTAINS

ITS NOT AN ARGUEMENT ABOUT WHAT CAN POSSIBLY BE THE FASTEST, ITS AN INFORMATION SITUATION ABOUT WHATS THE BEST FOR YOUR BUCK STR8 OFF THE SHELF..........

sure you can build a computer and it's great, but you get the same performance for less already put together at a best buy, why the fuck would anyone order the shit, put it together, pay shipping etc?

if they wanted or needed to add parts they could just buy the part instead of putting together the whole machine for no reason.

[The Dre Era]

what part of he's not going to build his own computer he's going to walk in & buy one can you not understand? honestly? and they are priced pretty much based on speed/performance when you purchase them from the store.

you turning some simple shit into a debate that no one is apart of, no point in really debating benchmark tests they are cut & dry. we agree. what the fuck are you still talking for? or about?

it's not any new information that certain processors can be beefed up etc, he's not building a fucking computer DUMB ASS!!! HELLO?????

your talking over & over & over about shit that doesn't pertain.

when you walk into a best buy, $700 gets you a phenom, and around $900 gets you an i7 machine.

if you want to debate something, debate the computers/chips at best buy, THAT IS ALL THAT PERTAINS

ITS NOT AN ARGUEMENT ABOUT WHAT CAN POSSIBLY BE THE FASTEST, ITS AN INFORMATION SITUATION ABOUT WHATS THE BEST FOR YOUR BUCK STR8 OFF THE SHELF..........

sure you can build a computer and it's great, but you get the same performance for less already put together at a best buy, why the fuck would anyone order the shit, put it together, pay shipping etc?

if they wanted or needed to add parts they could just buy the part instead of putting together the whole machine for no reason.
sooo the pointless software usually bundled with the PC is free?

[Qwasian]

sooo the pointless software usually bundled with the PC is free?

it's cheaper than free, they are paying you to take it, it's cheaper than the put together pc.

go on bestbuy look up a machine, then go to newegg and put together the same machine, same specs, it's cheaper by several hundred dollars typically.

[The Dre Era]

go on bestbuy look up a machine, then go to newegg and put together the same machine, same specs, it's cheaper by several hundred dollars typically.
not when you factor in shit like a weak ass graphics card and tv tuner if they even include one. blu ray burner etc...

[Qwasian]

not when you factor in shit like a weak ass graphics card and tv tuner if they even include one. blu ray burner etc...

before you say that, go look at the package, your speculating with this statement, go do the math add & compare.

[The Dre Era]

before you say that, go look at the package, your speculating with this statement, go do the math add & compare.
been to bestbuy.com a few times recently
you find me a PC listed on there that has HDMI Output, Blu Ray Burner (Not just a Blu Ray Player) HDMI TV Card with a killer graphics card

[Qwasian]

"IF" the computer you want doesn't have it in there, you can buy it there, they have the tuner & input cards there..... tuner cards are typically add on items anyway.

it's still a win, you get it already put together, don't have to add but a couple peices, get the software/windows etc with it, don't have to ship it and can't shop on sight.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

what part of he's not going to build his own computer he's going to walk in & buy one can you not understand? honestly? and they are priced pretty much based on speed/performance when you purchase them from the store.

you turning some simple shit into a debate that no one is apart of, no point in really debating benchmark tests they are cut & dry. we agree. what the fuck are you still talking for? or about?

it's not any new information that certain processors can be beefed up etc, he's not building a fucking computer DUMB ASS!!! HELLO?????

your talking over & over & over about shit that doesn't pertain.

when you walk into a best buy, $700 gets you a phenom, and around $900 gets you an i7 machine.

if you want to debate something, debate the computers/chips at best buy, THAT IS ALL THAT PERTAINS

ITS NOT AN ARGUEMENT ABOUT WHAT CAN POSSIBLY BE THE FASTEST, ITS AN INFORMATION SITUATION ABOUT WHATS THE BEST FOR YOUR BUCK STR8 OFF THE SHELF..........

sure you can build a computer and it's great, but you get the same performance for less already put together at a best buy, why the fuck would anyone order the shit, put it together, pay shipping etc?

if they wanted or needed to add parts they could just buy the part instead of putting together the whole machine for no reason.

You typed all that for nothing because I never said anything about him building a machine. Did it occur to you that it might be possible to buy an i5 750 with a better gpu off the shelf or customized one through DELL.com? I can't tell you if that's possible or not because you haven't posted links to this 700 dollar phenom II. Post the full specs of this machine and I'll let you know if I'd buy something else over it for 700. As I said before.... it depends.

[The Dre Era]

this shit right here nigga
Lawd......

AMD’s Radeon HD 5970
http://dl.maximumpc.com/galleries/radeon5970/5970_01_sm.jpg

[Qwasian]

never understood the point of a overdose on graphics card unless your playing fast motion video games it doesn't do anything.

[The Dre Era]

what yall think about this?
would you buy it
nerd at my job fell on hard times and is trying to sell it to me

ASUS G Series G73JH-A1 NoteBook Intel Core i7 720QM(1.60GHz) 17.3" 8GB Memory 1TB HDD 7200rpm BD Combo ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5870
http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/34-220-691-TS?$S300W$

Model

Brand
ASUS

Series
G Series

Model
G73JH-A1

General

Operating System
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

CPU Type
Intel Core i7 720QM(1.6GHz)

Screen
17.3"

Memory Size
8GB

Hard Disk
1TB

Optical Drive
BD Combo

Graphics Card
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5870

Video Memory
1GB GDDR5

Communication
Gigabit LAN and WLAN

Dimensions
16.60" x 12.80" x 0.80" - 2.30"

Weight
8.00 lbs.

Other Features
30days Zero Bright Dot LCD
Backpack & Mouse

CPU

CPU Type
Intel Core i7

CPU Speed
720QM(1.60GHz)

Chipset

Chipset
Intel HM55

Display

Screen Size
17.3"

Wide Screen Support
Yes

Resolution
1920 x 1080

LCD Features
LED backlight

Operating Systems

Operating System
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

Graphics

GPU/VPU
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5870

Video Memory
1GB GDDR5

Graphic Type
Dedicated Card

Hard Drive

HDD
1TB

HDD RPM
7200rpm

HDD Spec
2 x 500GB

Memory

Memory
8GB

Optical Drive

Optical Drive Type
BD Combo

Optical Drive Interface
Integrated

Communications

LAN
10/100/1000Mbps

WLAN
802.11 b/g/n Wireless LAN

Bluetooth
Yes

Ports

USB
4

Video Port
1 x VGA

HDMI
1

Audio Ports
Yes

Audio

Audio
Integrated Sound card

Speaker
Internal Speakers

Input Device

Touchpad
Yes

Keyboard
Standard

Supplemental Drive

Card Reader
8-in-1

Webcam
2.0MP

Power

Battery
8-cell lithium ion

Physical Specifications

Dimensions
16.60" x 12.80" x 0.80" - 2.30"

Weight
8.00 lbs.

Manufacturer Warranty

Accidental Damage Warranty
1 year ASUS Accidental Damage Warranty - Drops, Fire, Spill, Surge

Parts
2 years limited

Labor
2 years limited


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220691

[Qwasian]

might give a $100 or so for it, it's probably not worth a whole lot, cheap brand?

[Mojo]

Asus is supposed to be pretty good.

[Qwasian]

this model is actually pretty good, but they make some real cheap bullshit joints too......... looks like a nice setup, I guess it just depends on how much he wanted for it. I definately wouldn't buy it for anywhere near retail.... they make alot of the cheapest laptops you can buy type joints, that's where I got the name fucked up at.......I guess like with anything they got a high & low end of business though

[The Dre Era]

nah definitely not cheep
i kinda feel bad for dude
he just brought it few months back
he talked about that shit for weeks
and was so hype when he got it
he even brought it to work.
hes asking for $1,500 which is bullshit
i know i can probably talk him down to $1,000
his roomates bailed on him and landlord is coming after him
this dude put everything on craigslist today
iphone
PS3

that shit weights 8lbs :eek:

[Qwasian]

i'd definately skip that joint for $1000........ unless you just really like it.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

Asus is supposed to be pretty good.

It is.

And thats a steal for a $1000.

$1000 laptop is usually i5 430M with 4 GB of RAM these days. Thats substantially better.

[The Dre Era]

It is.

And thats a steal for a $1000.

$1000 laptop is usually i5 430M with 4 GB of RAM these days. Thats substantially better.
good looking out

[Nerd Motivation 101]

good looking out

That same model is going for $1600-ish on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ASUS-G73JH-A1-Notebook-Core-i7-i7-720QM-1-60-GHz-/190427286173?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item2c5659ca9d

[The Dre Era]

That same model is going for $1600-ish on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ASUS-G73JH-A1-Notebook-Core-i7-i7-720QM-1-60-GHz-/190427286173?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item2c5659ca9d
damn i might can't haggle him then

haven't really started building my PC yet
this would be a nice pick up but i really rather have a desktop
hmmmm

[smooth]

maybe im just old, but i just feel no matter how powerful a laptop says it is:::they just are not suppose to take real punishment like a pc does...lol

i wouldn't do it....i firmly believe desktops are the way to go when your talking about beast machines....

idk...maybe im old...but it also depends on what your doing.....do you do any media work? i dont know why you would want a machine like that if you're not going to be using it at full capacity...

[Nerd Motivation 101]

maybe im just old, but i just feel no matter how powerful a laptop says it is:::they just are not suppose to take real punishment like a pc does...lol

i wouldn't do it....i firmly believe desktops are the way to go when your talking about beast machines....

idk...maybe im old...but it also depends on what your doing.....do you do any media work? i dont know why you would want a machine like that if you're not going to be using it at full capacity...

Laptops are for the convenience. Just being able to carry a computer around your house is a big deal, IMO.

What kind of media work are you doing? If you're not rendering the next Pixar movie..it doesn't really matter. Ok, a video might encode 10 seconds faster on the desktop. And you do this what? Once a day? Once a week? Once a month? 10 extra seconds is not a big deal for something you do infrequently.

[The Dre Era]

i do a little technical/media work for my job and probably more in the future

[The Dre Era]

Updated Breakdown.....

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/796/specsm.jpg

[The Dre Era]

Mission Complete
Shit is blazing fast

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/6899/95030592.jpg

[Qwasian]

you might wanna edit your windows serial man......

[smooth]

lemme guess, you only have 6gb of ram because those asshole gave you 4 memory chips that were 1gb a piece and you didnt want to spend more loot on 2 more memory chips?

#storyofmylife...

[The Dre Era]

you might wanna edit your windows serial man......
inserts foot in mouth. good looking out

[The Dre Era]

lemme guess, you only have 6gb of ram because those asshole gave you 4 memory chips that were 1gb a piece and you didnt want to spend more loot on 2 more memory chips?

#storyofmylife...
considering the hardware i have, 6gbs is more then enough for me for now.
my board is expandable to 192gbs lol

[smooth]

thats beast lmao 192gb of memory?? hell you gonna be doing with 192? lls your ass gonna be controlling missiles in Afghanistan aint ya?:D

[The Dre Era]

thats beast lmao 192gb of memory?? hell you gonna be doing with 192? lls your ass gonna be controlling missiles in Afghanistan aint ya?:D
lol my friend at work just said the FEDs are coming for my ass.

mad this shit should of been done 2 months ago
been arguing back & fourth with Newegg.com & Intel
Bought the Motherboard from Newegg.com and they sent me one with bent pins.
Sent it back to them and they tried to say I bent the damn pins.
Newegg.com then sent it back to me without the damn cap!
They then told me to send it directly to Intel which I did and Intel basically told me the same thing and that I was shit out of luck because they was not replacing it.
So I basically went in and did some surgery getting it to work.
During all this im mailing the board across the country smh.

[smooth]

lol my friend at work just said the FEDs are coming for my ass.

mad this shit should of been done 2 months ago
been arguing back & fourth with Newegg.com & Intel
Bought the Motherboard from Newegg.com and they sent me one with bent pins.
Sent it back to them and they tried to say I bent the damn pins.
Newegg.com then sent it back to me without the damn cap!
They then told me to send it directly to Intel which I did and Intel basically told me the same thing and that I was shit out of luck because they was not replacing it.
So I basically went in and did some surgery getting it to work.
During all this im mailing the board across the country smh.

thats some bullshit....whf? you bent it yourself? lls

mofos is crazy man. I hate that ish man...

but yo, so why not increase your processor speed? or does it not need to be increased?

[smooth]

oh wait i see its i7....sheesh killin em haha

[The Dre Era]

oh wait i see its i7....sheesh killin em haha
yeh its good for now
but then again, i haven;t really had time to play around with it yet.
was up till 3am setting everything up
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8821/newimage2d.jpghttp://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2395/newimages.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5442/newimage1v.jpg

[smooth]

yo dre, thats fuckin cool kid.

yo, i wanna do this shit one day. I'm thinking next summer I'll start my own project. About how much have you invested in this machine?

[The Dre Era]

yo dre, thats fuckin cool kid.

yo, i wanna do this shit one day. I'm thinking next summer I'll start my own project. About how much have you invested in this machine?
definitely do it if you have the knowledge on how to build.
yeh i could of went out and bought a PC but this was something I always wanted to do. It cost me a little over $1,200 which i think is well worth the price considering I have everything I want built in the machine.
Windows 7 Installed on the SSD Drive makes a huge difference.
My Blu-Ray Player/Burner came with a nice pair of 3D Glasses
The media player that came with it even has a option where i can basically make any blu-ray/dvd switch to 3D (The older Version with the color glasses)
Even Porn!!!!!!!!!! lol

I may go the dual monitor route next

[smooth]

definitely do it if you have the knowledge on how to build.
yeh i could of went out and bought a PC but this was something I always wanted to do. It cost me a little over $1,200 which i think is well worth the price considering I have everything I want built in the machine.
Windows 7 Installed on the SSD Drive makes a huge difference.
My Blu-Ray Player/Burner came with a nice pair of 3D Glasses
The media player that came with it even has a option where i can basically make any blu-ray/dvd switch to 3D (The older Version with the color glasses)
Even Porn!!!!!!!!!! lol

I may go the dual monitor route next

dead@3d porn! :D

lls man.....yah thats not bad for the price...seems like you got a beast machine for your money, and your satisfied....

[The Dre Era]

dead@3d porn! :D

lls man.....yah thats not bad for the price...seems like you got a beast machine for your money, and your satisfied....
feeling like a little kid
can't wait to go home and play
oh and the Gif Master is Back!
HD Gifs coming soon
I been out the game too long

[The Dre Era]

tv card is a beast

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3926/nati.png

[Dro]

good to see you finally got everything set up. coolermaster case is dope. i think i was looking at the same one when i built mine, but i ended up going with the xclio windtunnel. runs very cool and quiet.

http://cdn3.iofferphoto.com/img/item/123/731/291/CEdSMTZBDA1sPaR.jpg

[The Dre Era]

good to see you finally got everything set up. coolermaster case is dope. i think i was looking at the same one when i built mine, but i ended up going with the xclio windtunnel. runs very cool and quiet.

http://cdn3.iofferphoto.com/img/item/123/731/291/CEdSMTZBDA1sPaR.jpg
Now that ish right there is raw
props to you

yeh my joint is very quiet
didn't want to go all out on my case
but for what i spent on it, i love it

[The Dre Era]

Pats Game
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9214/59502509.png

[Qwasian]

patriots mawfukka we rollin!!!!!!!!

[The Dre Era]

patriots mawfukka we rollin!!!!!!!!
makes me sick to my stomach
honestly thought they were done after giving up Randy Moss