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The Dre Era
06-16-2010, 12:59 PM
The Camel Can't Save Them?
Could of swore someone said he sells out countries
anyway......

Btw, if you Google "Live Nation", you won't be able to find this information. All you'll be able to find are positive articles spinning the sad situation LiveNation is in. People are not covering this story, because it's pretty much the nail in the coffin as far as the music business stands. A lot of industry people were saying that live concerts were still selling despite the drastic drop in CD sales...As we can see this was a lie.

From "The Lefsetz Letter":
"Live Nation Cancels Shows

Unilaterally. Supposedly 200 at CAA alone.

This has been the buzz of L.A. for days, but has gotten no mainstream media attention.

We know it’s been a bad summer… But this bad?

The concert giant is trying to save itself. Which is the exact opposite of its behavior since its inception, which was about overpaying to decimate the competition.

They’ve achieved their goal, but at the cost of their bottom line. And when the Ticketmaster kickbacks don’t make up the difference, when there aren’t enough people in the venue to profit from food and beer sales, never mind a cut of merch, drastic measures are necessary. This on top of a no secondary market booking policy that was instituted months back.

You may be on the outside, laughing, but unless you’re a consumer, you’re in trouble. The giant that overpaid and didn’t demand you give back on a losing show? That company is gone. Replaced by one struggling for not only its survival, but a good share price (oftentimes in reverse order).

Michael Rapino has gone on record that if he doesn’t pay, someone else will.

But suddenly, the casinos can walk away. And not everything AEG presents sells out.

So where do we go from here?

Lower prices.

Then again, a lot of these shows no one wants to see at any price. And too many oldsters have toured the same show year after year after year and the audience has seen it, and won’t overpay to go again.

The "Wall Street Journal" reported Saturday that retail sales waned in May
Consumers Tighten Belts
So one can say soft concert ticket sales are just a reflection of the economy.

Let’s hope so, but I doubt it. I believe we’re going through a giant reset, and there’s a good chance the landscape will look totally different when we’re done.

First and foremost, the audience has gotten out of the habit of going to the show. Once a year is not a habit. And with so few places to break major acts, people would rather play Farmville on Facebook than take a flier on a new act, even if it’s cheap.

Our whole musical business culture is bankrupt.

The major labels can’t build acts because they’ve got no revenue and no one working there. They can put their energies behind one or two horses at most.

Labels used to support clubs. But they can no longer afford to, and club promoters are not incentivized to lose money, because they know when the act grows, it’ll just go to Live Nation or AEG.

Agents felt they were in a winning position. Acts would always get paid, no, let’s make that OVERPAID! But it’s one thing for the promoter to lose money at a show, it’s another thing for the act to lose the date entirely.

Who’s going to give the bad news? Where does the buck stop?

Looks like Live Nation is crying uncle. And can you sue Live Nation for breach of contract when most of your business is done with the behemoth?

Acts and managers are going to have to adjust. The free ride is over. Especially for those who haven’t had hits in eons. You’ve now got to earn your pay. And that pay is going to be a lot less. The days of the act making a profit and the promoter losing his shirt appear to be over.

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Cherry Almond Jergen's
06-16-2010, 01:25 PM
what does live nation canceling shows have to do with jayz selling out concerts?

Qwasian
06-16-2010, 01:47 PM
technology is basically putting the music biz out of biz...... has nothing to do with popularity......I mean shit when you got iphones, videos, free music, live shows over the net, etc etc.... who really needs to step out to see a show? honestly most of the shows i've wanted to see I've been able to tune into on youtube and see what i wanted to see. the only way they will ever get it back is to regulate the internet, which i'm not sure they can.... but realistically what are we talking about? people with billions and millions losing out on money when they already str8? fuck em....
I like jay-z music & all, but I don't give a shit if he can buy an nba team or build a new building, fuck em... all the kats losing the houses were rich, all the people complaining are rich and complaining because they can't scrape poor people to the bone for they weekly earnings..... I could give a shit less if all that shit goes under, because if you think about it? if the entire economy collapsed today? I think jay-z & live nation will still be able to eat, they have so much money they don't even have to make money anymore.

Rotten
06-16-2010, 02:03 PM
I think now is the best time to see your favorite artist perform. Honestly Ive been checking out concert schedules, and its alot of artist touring....they just doing smaller shows at smaller venues , which honestly make for a better concert experience. Live nation is on some bullshit, with all the fees they try to charge you for every little thing. With unemployment rate being so high, what do you expect...cats dont have a whole lot of disposable income. These articles are funny, cause basically you got people complaining that hey my profit margin is down 10% to 40 but they still showing a profit .......

I know everybody who I want to see, I can, and I can do with out, Live nation trying to charge me for mailing my tickets , or special fee for ordering my ticket online, Im all for it.

Cherry Almond Jergen's
06-16-2010, 02:38 PM
technology is basically putting the music biz out of biz...... has nothing to do with popularity......I mean shit when you got iphones, videos, free music, live shows over the net, etc etc.... who really needs to step out to see a show? honestly most of the shows i've wanted to see I've been able to tune into on youtube and see what i wanted to see. the only way they will ever get it back is to regulate the internet, which i'm not sure they can.... but realistically what are we talking about? people with billions and millions losing out on money when they already str8? fuck em....
I like jay-z music & all, but I don't give a shit if he can buy an nba team or build a new building, fuck em... all the kats losing the houses were rich, all the people complaining are rich and complaining because they can't scrape poor people to the bone for they weekly earnings..... I could give a shit less if all that shit goes under, because if you think about it? if the entire economy collapsed today? I think jay-z & live nation will still be able to eat, they have so much money they don't even have to make money anymore.

I think now is the best time to see your favorite artist perform. Honestly Ive been checking out concert schedules, and its alot of artist touring....they just doing smaller shows at smaller venues , which honestly make for a better concert experience. Live nation is on some bullshit, with all the fees they try to charge you for every little thing. With unemployment rate being so high, what do you expect...cats dont have a whole lot of disposable income. These articles are funny, cause basically you got people complaining that hey my profit margin is down 10% to 40 but they still showing a profit .......

I know everybody who I want to see, I can, and I can do with out, Live nation trying to charge me for mailing my tickets , or special fee for ordering my ticket online, Im all for it.


pmb salute to you both....

I rarely go to big venues for concerts anyway....I like small spots that hold up to 2,000 etc....its always general admission and you can get as close as you want to the stage...plus with some of these small venues like 930 club, the fees are generally low...like $4 a ticket compared to ticketmaster which charges $10+ sometimes...

If I do a big venue its because I really wanted to see that artist and there is no way they will ever perform at a small venue like 930 club....