Church Tiding/Offering Discussion Revisited

[The Dre Era]

So I'm at work looking at my 401k option
looking at the 10% breakdown of this it made me think about Tiding.
I don't see how some people can have full health insurance, life insurance, 401k, and still tide 10% of their income. plus the taxes coming out their check.
http://i47.tinypic.com/ejwqkl.jpg

[Mojo]

Most people spend more than 10% at Starbuck's, 7-11, eating out at random fast food spots, etc.

It's tithe by the way.

[Mojo]

Also, a lot of that is given back during tax season anyways.

[goliath]

Also, I like how they made the contribution look so minimal by comparing your YEARLY salary vs. a Monthly Contribution.

20,000....$167/month = $2,000 a YEAR...assuming 10%....15% makes it $3,000.

Never thought they'd resort to the same tactics as car salesmen.....

but I digress....

I do go to church regularly, and I do contribute in a both financial and non-financial means.

[The Dre Era]

Man looking at that sheet based off $40,000 a year in Maryland
Subtract $16,000 in taxes
$275 a month in family health insurance
$333 in 401k
$333 in tithes

sheiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit...............

im just saying

[Plain Ole Me]

i only make like 25k and i tithe.. I kinda look at it like it was never mines to begin with so i dont count it as part of my income.. i just do a buck fifty every check and kep it moving. i think when we start counting pennies thats what when we go like whoa... im giving too much.

From my POV we can't give enuff God gave you life.. giving him 10% is nowhere near repaying anything hes blessed me with in life. I tell folks who have a problem with their tithes don't give.. God loves a cheerful giver (2 Corinthians 9:7) and offerings given grudgingly are not accepted (Genesis 4:1-6).

At the end of the day its about what you value.. i just bout a new car $3000 down payment whats more important God or the car dealership? How it look you got money for stuff but not the person who gave you the opportunity to cop.

[SoulstarShawn]

I'm saying...he's God. What he need my money for? HE run the show, he's all powering.

[Mojo]

God doesn't "need" our money per se, but tithing isn't just about handing over some dough. It's a sacrifice.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

I think people need to hold their churches accountable when it comes to tithes. I don't like to knock our community but a lot of white churches have their accounting together and usually will disseminate a balance sheet that breaks down how much money the church collected and how it was spent. If your church is not in your community making a difference than you need to stop tithing.

[Plain Ole Me]

^or stop attending.. Going to church without tithing is like going to college and not paying tuition or going to a restaurant and skipping the check

[The Dre Era]

man i agree with all of you but today it seems like there is too much focus on Tithing/giving money to church. when i was young growing up in church not once did i see as much focus on tithing compared to whats going on in churches today.
i also have a problem with the "come as you are" dress codes

[Mojo]

What's wrong with the come as you are? Before that people were complaining and making excuses about not going because they didn't want to dress up. You think God cares if you have on a 3-Piece suit?

More churches aren't necessarily speaking more about tithing these days, you're probably just more aware of it. You start to hear things that you didn't hear before now that you're making some decent money. If people are talking more about tithes it might have to do with the fact that tithing has decreased due to the economy and many churches are going under.

[Plain Ole Me]

man i agree with all of you but today it seems like there is too much focus on Tithing/giving money to church. when i was young growing up in church not once did i see as much focus on tithing compared to whats going on in churches today.
i also have a problem with the "come as you are" dress codes

i used to think like you but I've found once you ignore the others and goto church for God and not others you have a bettter experience

@the dress code, couple sisters be tempting a brother but im not mad.. long as im focused im good.. i look at it this way.. if church was all churchy looking people then they not doing a good job of bringing in new converts its like a hospital and you dont see no one in the er, nobody in surgery... you need those people so a year from now you can be like, "i remember when she used to be.."

[king]

Come as you are Sundays were the best when I was a kid lol

but foreal showing up is more important than what you are wearing

[The Dre Era]

What's wrong with the come as you are? Before that people were complaining and making excuses about not going because they didn't want to dress up. You think God cares if you have on a 3-Piece suit?

More churches aren't necessarily speaking more about tithing these days, you're probably just more aware of it. You start to hear things that you didn't hear before now that you're making some decent money. If people are talking more about tithes it might have to do with the fact that tithing has decreased due to the economy and many churches are going under.
i go to church in baltimore
im tired of seeing ladies ass crack as they get up sitting in front of me.

[Mojo]

i go to church in baltimore
im tired of seeing ladies ass crack as they get up sitting in front of me.

Easy solution to that...stop looking.

You still go to the Empowerment Temple?

[Plain Ole Me]

Easy solution to that...stop looking.
what he said.

[The Dre Era]

Easy solution to that...stop looking.

You still go to the Empowerment Temple?
stop looking??????
how can you not look when its right in front of you!

yes I still go to the Empowerment Temple

[king]

I'm with Dre on this one, some stuff you just can't help but look at.

[Mojo]

stop looking??????
how can you not look when its right in front of you!

yes I still go to the Empowerment Temple

You should check out Kingdom Worship Center in Towson, MD.

[Mojo]

Now, I do agree that people should be respectful with how they dress when coming to church. Come as you are is supposed to mean that it's ok to wear jeans, sneakers, etc...not like you're leaving the club with mad cleavage and booty hanging out. Everybody isn't saved and sanctified and that kind of stuff causes brothers to backslide.

[The Dre Era]

You should check out Kingdom Worship Center in Towson, MD.
how big is the church?
whats the pastor's name?

[The Dre Era]

Now, I do agree that people should be respectful with how they dress when coming to church. Come as you are is supposed to mean that it's ok to wear jeans, sneakers, etc...not like you're leaving the club with mad cleavage and booty hanging out. Everybody isn't saved and sanctified and that kind of stuff causes brothers to backslide.
people do that at my church
Pastor is young so he attracts younger members and they come up in church wearing any and everything.

[Mojo]

how big is the church?
whats the pastor's name?

It's a regular-sized church, but he has two. The other is in Columbia, MD. Bishop Ralph Dennis is his name.

As far as the Empowerment Temple and the young people a lot of those chicks probably come in there dressed like that to get Bryant's attention.

[The Dre Era]

It's a regular-sized church, but he has two. The other is in Columbia, MD. Bishop Ralph Dennis is his name.

As far as the Empowerment Temple and the young people a lot of those chicks probably come in there dressed like that to get Bryant's attention.
I live in Columbia
will definitely check that out.
My family goes to the Empowerment Temple and I still living on southern values respecting and attending the church your family goes to until you get married or in a relationship and you then decide to go to a different church.

Jamal Bryant be wearing some outrageous suits. Guess its a Baltimore thing
http://i46.tinypic.com/vybclc.jpg

[Mojo]

Yeah, he does wear some wild shirt/tie combos.

[The Dre Era]

Yeah, he does wear some wild shirt/tie combos.
the man had on a yellow suit last week

[king]

lol him and Craig Sager shop at the same store for suits

[Mojo]

lol him and Craig Sager shop at the same store for suits

LOL! There are a lot of "designers" that make wild stuff that they think is cutting edge. I'm sure they give him that stuff for free so that he can be a walking billboard.

[The Dre Era]

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[Plain Ole Me]

stop looking??????
how can you not look when its right in front of you!
do like i do when the praise dancer perform turn the beer goggles on.. the fact that you cant is more of a reflection on you than them.
I live in Columbia
will definitely check that out.
My family goes to the Empowerment Temple and I still living on southern values respecting and attending the church your family goes to until you get married or in a relationship and you then decide to go to a different church.
you have a problem with tithing but you goto church for these reasons.. thats dumb.

[The Dre Era]

do like i do when the praise dancer perform turn the beer goggles on.. the fact that you cant is more of a reflection on you than them.

you have a problem with tithing but you goto church for these reasons.. thats dumb.

nigga i didn;t say i go to church period for those reasons
i go to church because i want to go
i grew up in church
i only said that in regards to choosing a church home
don't question my religion

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

http://shaunphilly.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/christianity.jpg

[The Dre Era]

can't prosper without "faith"
when ish hits the fan i bet you will be praying to someone

[Mojo]

smh...we already know that you don't believe in Christianity. Was it really necessary to post something that is so disrespectful to the ones that do?

[AliAllWorld]

http://shaunphilly.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/christianity.jpg

SHOTS FIRED......SHOTS FIRED!!

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[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

smh...we already know that you don't believe in Christianity. Was it really necessary to post something that is so disrespectful to the ones that do?

Mad about the truth?

[Meta4.ce]

http://shaunphilly.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/christianity.jpg

win!

Win!

Win!

[Meta4.ce]

can't prosper without "faith"
when ish hits the fan i bet you will be praying to someone

Gun to my head, didn't pray. Gun cocked back, didn't pray.

Hit by car, didn't pray

Jumped and beat the fuck up, didn't pray

Sick as shit, didn't pray.

I was too busy using my own wits to survive...or going through "this is it, damn. oh well" thoughts in my head.

The reaper ain't that serious of a nigga if you've brushed past him a few times.
He's coming for us all. You scurred?

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

win!

Win!

Win!



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[The Dre Era]

Gun to my head, didn't pray. Gun cocked back, didn't pray.

Hit by car, didn't pray

Jumped and beat the fuck up, didn't pray

Sick as shit, didn't pray.

I was too busy using my own wits to survive...or going through "this is it, damn. oh well" thoughts in my head.

The reaper ain't that serious of a nigga if you've brushed past him a few times.
He's coming for us all. You scurred?
Answer this Question:
Why are we on earth
How did we get here

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

Answer this Question:
Why are we on earth
How did we get here

google richard dawkins

[The Dre Era]

google richard dawkins
you tell me

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

you tell me

I'm not a messenger

google richard dawkins and research yourself

[Meta4.ce]

Sometime of force that's not directly involved with us...

Nigga quit trying to find reason not to be responsible for your time here...I thought you were a responsible nigga?

Moreso than I, at least...as are all of you...

Nigga still needs a sky daddy to feel okay at night?

I wish that lady got shot in front of you, so you could call the cops like my roommate...you'd probably pray, too.

Fucked up mindstate.

[Mojo]

Mad about the truth?

Who said I was mad? I simply asked why you felt it necessary to put that up. What's truth to you is a lie to me because my Truth is God, soooo...

[The Dre Era]

I'm not a messenger

google richard dawkins and research yourself
so let me get this straight
you come in my thread dissing my god
and provide nothing to back it up
rather i gotta research yo shit
GTFO...........

[T-MADDY]

I knew this thread would go in this direction.


Answer this Question:
Why are we on earth
How did we get here

no one has those answers, though. if religion was the answer, the answer to those questions wouldn't change as religion do. I bet you think other religions are false but if u were born to a different religion, u'd think the same thing about ur religion now. so what does it equate to? brainwashing, ur a sheep, none is more dangerous in numbers than sheeps. im just glad ur in a western religion and not ready to blow shit up. but I bet u would if a new scripture asked u too.

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

so let me get this straight
you come in my thread dissing my god
and provide nothing to back it up
rather i gotta research yo shit
GTFO...........

The posts said enough....Its all a myth

You don't believe in the tooth fairy do you?

the human mind is susceptible to hallucination

[The Dre Era]

I knew this thread would go in this direction.




no one has those answers, though. if religion was the answer, the answer to those questions wouldn't change as religion do. I bet you think other religions are false but if u were born to a different religion, u'd think the same thing about ur religion now. so what does it equate to? brainwashing, ur a sheep, none is more dangerous in numbers than sheeps. im just glad ur in a western religion and not ready to blow shit up. but I bet u would if a new scripture asked u too.
Wrong: i do not think other religions are false
i have respect for anyone that has a belief of a high power
i believe everyone should have "faith" in something.

[T-MADDY]

Wrong: i do not think other religions are false
i have respect for anyone that has a belief of a high power
i believe everyone should have "faith" in something.

so u admit to not having absolute faith?

its just about believing, it dont matter right or wrong? that's kinda worst.

I'm not here to derail ur thread soooo.....yea good luck on church hunting.

[ikia]

this thread took a turn.....geesh. :(

1. nobody is forcing you to tithe. and how long you been going to church that you dont know how to spell that? like really dude? so what they sent you a letter. either pay up or dont. if it bothers you that it is printed or reinforced that much, then find a new church.
*if u dont like paying tithes at all....then have church on ur couch via tv. problem solved. stfu & kim.

2. if what people are wearing is bothering you...then sit behind the deacons/deaconesses up on the 3rd pew cause you know the half naked folks gonna sit in the back, so you wont have to worry bout seeing all that ruckus. OR hit that 8am service...iono. OR find a new church.

3. why did this thread even go into the whole talk about christianity and believing in God?...that pic was so unnecessary

my $0.02 :D *exits thread*

[The Dre Era]

so u admit to not having absolute faith?

its just about believing, it dont matter right or wrong? that's kinda worst.

I'm not here to derail ur thread soooo.....yea good luck on church hunting.
not saying that at all
i admit that at the stage in my life I am not where i want to be in regards to my bible knowledge therefore i am not gonna put down or discredit anyone else that believes in a different god or religion.

[The Dre Era]

this thread took a turn.....geesh. :(

1. nobody is forcing you to tithe. and how long you been going to church that you dont know how to spell that? like really dude? so what they sent you a letter. either pay up or dont. if it bothers you that it is printed or reinforced that much, then find a new church.
*if u dont like paying tithes at all....then have church on ur couch via tv. problem solved. stfu & kim.

2. if what people are wearing is bothering you...then sit behind the deacons/deaconesses up on the 3rd pew cause you know the half naked folks gonna sit in the back, so you wont have to worry bout seeing all that ruckus. OR hit that 8am service...iono. OR find a new church.

3. why did this thread even go into the whole talk about christianity and believing in God?...that pic was so unnecessary

my $0.02 :D *exits thread*
i wanna hump you









kidding

[Meta4.ce]

Wrong: i do not think other religions are false
i have respect for anyone that has a belief of a high power
i believe everyone should have "faith" in something.

not one time did I say there wasn't a god...I just think it's different than most of us assume.

[The Dre Era]

not one time did I say there wasn't a god...I just think it's different than most of us assume.
my bad then......

[Mr.T]

i wanna hump you









kidding

LOl sinner

[SoulstarShawn]

I cant do it...i'd rather see my money help someone that needs it...like me and my family. LOL.

[T-MADDY]

not one time did I say there wasn't a god...I just think it's different than most of us assume.

word, the bible is what I don't believe in. it didn't take long for me to come to the conclusion this is someones imagination.

Dre Era, have u ever caught the spirit? whats ur opinion on that, to me its craziness add talking in tongues in there too, might be going a lil too far.

[The Dre Era]

word, the bible is what I don't believe in. it didn't take long for me to come to the conclusion this is someones imagination.

Dre Era, have u ever caught the spirit? whats ur opinion on that, to me its craziness add talking in tongues in there too, might be going a lil too far.
never caught it
ever...
i believe in it though
i also believe many people fake the funk doing it intentionally
"Praise Breaks" have been in black churches since slavery
i believe its a form of letting out your frustrations, relieving your stress shaking the devil off in a spiritual way.

[The Dre Era]

I cant do it...i'd rather see my money help someone that needs it...like me and my family. LOL.
For many people the church is their family so I understand it in that aspect
but in mega churches you don't really see or know where the money is going.
The mega church I am a member of, that's one of the things that bothers me

[Ju?]

It's tithe by the way.
I was about to say.

[T-MADDY]

never thought of it like that...good form sir.

[Mercury]

I believe in religion but as I get older I sometimes find myself drifting towards being non denominational.

Its like, nobody knows the answers. The reason I'm baptist is because I was raised to me. If I was raised to be catholic then I would've been that.

So I pretty much read up on everything and kinda form an opinion that way.

To be perfectly honest, I don't like going to Church at all. I went all my life growing up, I took some time off, and I go semi regularly recently, but its real forced and a "uggghhhh I don't wanna go" thing. I like the family aspect, the feeling of community service, the positivity, the music etc. But I feel like I don't get anything from sermons (ME PERSONALLY). I do better in sunday school/religious study settings than a regular sermon.

If I could create a church that would keep my interest (this would be boring to others however), we would study religious texts from a historical aspect, and REALLY get deep into it (on some Killah Priest ish). Then we would have hour long church jam sessions with live instruments and church-crunk music (yall know what I'm talking about). At the end, instead of a sermon, you would meet with an religious counselor to apply religious principle's to your everyday life.

[AliAllWorld]

For many people the church is their family so I understand it in that aspect
but in mega churches you don't really see or know where the money is going.
The mega church I am a member of, that's one of the things that bothers me

I have an Aunt in Atlanta and she was telling me her friend invited her to a mega church. She said that the entire street to the church had church owned businesses. There was a gas station, a supermarket, day cares, car washes etc. Each business was owned and operated by the church. She said when they did the offering they had to lock the doors, security guards manned the doors and the church was pretty much locked down until all the money was moved to the back to be counted. Then she asked about joining the church and she was told she would have to submit her W2's :eek:

That's CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mercury]

heck naw! thats why I go to small country type churches. F' all that.

At work, I found out some people submit their bank account numbers and routing numbers to the church and get money automatically debited from their account. One church went the comcast route and got a lil case of sticky fingers LOL.

I guess I'm traditional. Pass the plate, I put my singles in, and keep in moving. Give me an envelope that says "building fund" and a seperate plate for the deacons rally. LOL

[Smoka]

I have no trust in any of those churches when I see Bishop anything!!! I ain't giving nothing to any church that has the Pastor, Bishop or whatever pushin high end luxury cars..mansions GTFO!!! That aint the blood..lol

[Mojo]

I believe in religion but as I get older I sometimes find myself drifting towards being non denominational.

Its like, nobody knows the answers. The reason I'm baptist is because I was raised to me. If I was raised to be catholic then I would've been that.

So I pretty much read up on everything and kinda form an opinion that way.

To be perfectly honest, I don't like going to Church at all. I went all my life growing up, I took some time off, and I go semi regularly recently, but its real forced and a "uggghhhh I don't wanna go" thing. I like the family aspect, the feeling of community service, the positivity, the music etc. But I feel like I don't get anything from sermons (ME PERSONALLY). I do better in sunday school/religious study settings than a regular sermon.

If I could create a church that would keep my interest (this would be boring to others however), we would study religious texts from a historical aspect, and REALLY get deep into it (on some Killah Priest ish). Then we would have hour long church jam sessions with live instruments and church-crunk music (yall know what I'm talking about). At the end, instead of a sermon, you would meet with an religious counselor to apply religious principle's to your everyday life.

I'm non-denomination because I don't really agree with all the separation. I don't think that's what God intended. It sounds like you need to join a church where the pastor has more substance. I used to be the same way. I went only because I thought it was what I was supposed to do and because I liked the music. I didn't really like going and came up with excuses for not going. After I graduated and went to DE for 6 months I was going to my mom's church. Her pastor showed that it's more to preaching than just hooping. Then I started to see the true benefits of going to church. I started to go to hear the Word and didn't even really care about the music as much.

I have an Aunt in Atlanta and she was telling me her friend invited her to a mega church. She said that the entire street to the church had church owned businesses. There was a gas station, a supermarket, day cares, car washes etc. Each business was owned and operated by the church. She said when they did the offering they had to lock the doors, security guards manned the doors and the church was pretty much locked down until all the money was moved to the back to be counted. Then she asked about joining the church and she was told she would have to submit her W2's :eek:

I don't think there's anything wrong with a church owning businesses. They probably lock doors and have security escort the money because people are wild and there's a lot of money in those baskets. They don't want any smash and dash. I went to Jericho City of Praise one time and it was like that. Her church is huge. In fact, the church owns the land where Fed Ex field has their parking lot, so every time there's a Skins game they have to pay the church.

As far as the W-2's that's for your benefit. A church that big has to have something like that for their own tax purposes, and so they can mail you out a report for how much you gave that year so that you can claim it on your taxes.

[Smoka]

As far as the W-2's that's for your benefit. A church that big has to have something like that for their own tax purposes, and so they can mail you out a report for how much you gave that year so that you can claim it on your taxes.Are you serious??? Its not GIVING if you claim it on your taxes..Its borrowing with the expectations of getting something back.. I think anyone that does that missed the true essence of giving..Same with donations too

[Mojo]

Are you serious??? Its not GIVING if you claim it on your taxes..Its borrowing with the expectations of getting something back.. I think anyone that does that missed the true essence of giving..Same with donations too

It's not giving with the expectations of giving back. If you get money back in taxes that means you have more to give. Also, if you don't get the money the gov't does. Who would you rather have it?

[king]

Unless yall giving $5k plus you ain't getting any of that $$ back

[Smoka]

It's not giving with the expectations of giving back. If you get money back in taxes that means you have more to give. Also, if you don't get the money the gov't does. Who would you rather have it?Not necessarily..You are getting what you gave back so technically you dont have more to give..you broke even on what you gave(leased).. I don't believe in that and especially females delivering a sermon.. Miss me with that!!!!

[AliAllWorld]

I don't believe in that and especially females delivering a sermon.. Miss me with that!!!!

Smoka my Nanna will not step foot in a church with a female pastor. She goes to a holiness church here in Richmond and them cats dont play. When I was small my Mom was like you gonna to church with Nanna today and I would freak out. The preacher back then would preach and stare at the visitors the whole sermon. If he was talking about sex, drugs whatever he would direct his eyes and talk straight to you. Then dude be on the drums backing up the choir with a smoothed out go go beat :eek: Then the shouting!!! Man them ladies would shout for hours, running up and down the church. I swear one lady came out pop locking one time :eek:

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[SyncereOne]

The church I grew up in now has a female pastor, and I'm not a fan at all. Like Ali mentioned, our grandmother is extremely religious and a lot of my religion (the little I have...lol) came from her, and her reading her bible to us, talking to us while we were young. So now with this female pastor at my church, on the rare occasions I go, I get nothing out of it. I go to church to be with my family, and to see the old heads I grew up in the church with.

[Mojo]

I think the "no women in the pulpit" thing is silly. I've met and heard some POWERFUL female preachers.

@Smoka you're not getting back all you gave, so if you're donating that money back it's extra to the church/charity.

[Smoka]

lol!!!!!! Mayne im a southern baptist.. Its real down here when it come to the Church.. The ushers will check the shit out of any female thats not dressed accordingly and provide them with the handkerchief to match your outfit to put over your legs.. The Deacons would check dudes who aint on their game too..Lil homie was saggin up in church and dude got cornered during offering..dude came back with his pants snug around the waist and shirt neatly tucked in...lol One of our deacons is 6'6 320..(he balled for the Cowboys..for about 2 weeks..lol)

My grandma had anniversary at their church and some woman claimed to be a prophetess and tried to enter ther pulpit and the motherboard got gangsta!!!! Senior mother lady politely escorted her back to the front row seats..with that knuck if you buck look in her eyes..

Its real down here son

[Mojo]

The church I grew up in now has a female pastor, and I'm not a fan at all. Like Ali mentioned, our grandmother is extremely religious and a lot of my religion (the little I have...lol) came from her, and her reading her bible to us, talking to us while we were young. So now with this female pastor at my church, on the rare occasions I go, I get nothing out of it. I go to church to be with my family, and to see the old heads I grew up in the church with.

Yeah, those are the churches that have a problem if a woman wears pants, earrings, and no stockings.

[Mojo]

My grandma had anniversary at their church and some woman claimed to be a prophetess and tried to enter ther pulpit and the motherboard got gangsta!!!! Senior mother lady politely escorted her back to the front row seats..with that knuck if you buck look in her eyes..

LOL! Male or female.. you don't just claim you're something and go up in someone else's pulpit. That's a quick way to get dealt with. lol

I know a few prophetesses that are powerful though. If they speak or tell you something you can take it to the bank.

[Smoka]

I think the "no women in the pulpit" thing is silly. I've met and heard some POWERFUL female preachers.
really..you seem like a man aware of the word... so read this and get back with me verse 10-15
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%202&version=ASV

aka deacon smoka... :eek:

[SyncereOne]

Yeah, those are the churches that have a problem if a woman wears pants, earrings, and no stockings.

yep....sure is. I remember one of my cousins going in there with gold teeth and earrings in, and he got an indirect-direct lecture from the pulpit from the preacher. My cousins, brothers, sister and I all have either tattoo's, golds, earrings, and we despise walking in her church because we know everyone in there gonna look at us crazy.

[Mojo]

Paul wrote that specifically for the people of Ephesus. They had a lot of issues with women in the church misrepresenting and preaching heresy. He was addressing those particular women.

[SyncereOne]

I don't like women preachers, because thes one i've heard have the mannerisms and such of a male one, and it seems fake. I heard one joint do the 'let me talk loud, pound my fist on the alter, and add the dj kool let me clear my throat in between sentences' during church I was like like what the hell...

[Mojo]

yep....sure is. I remember one of my cousins going in there with gold teeth and earrings in, and he got an indirect-direct lecture from the pulpit from the preacher. My cousins, brothers, sister and I all have either tattoo's, golds, earrings, and we despise walking in her church because we know everyone in there gonna look at us crazy.

No disrespect to your grandmom's church, but that's the kind of stuff I don't like. People are turned off by churches that are too churchy/religious and turn their noses up at people. Those kind of churches rarely grow and they certainly aren't carrying out the plans of God because people that might have been on the line as far as turning their lives to Christ get turned off and go the opposite direction.

[Smoka]

Paul wrote that specifically for the people of Ephesus. They had a lot of issues with women in the church misrepresenting and preaching heresy. He was addressing those particular women.Thats pretty good....Alot of Paul's writings are taken to be used as the standard tho.. Paul wrote specifically to alot of different groups that have become the law or taken as the Christian way of life..Do you agree??

[Mojo]

I don't like women preachers, because thes one i've heard have the mannerisms and such of a male one, and it seems fake. I heard one joint do the 'let me talk loud, pound my fist on the alter, and add the dj kool let me clear my throat in between sentences' during church I was like like what the hell...

I hear what you're saying, but if it was the opposite people probably wouldn't respect them. Also, if that's how they preach, that's how they preach. Some of them are trained by male superiors, so they pick up some of those mannerisms. It's the same in the business world a lot of women in high positions have a dominant aura about them. They can't be up there looking weak.

[SyncereOne]

No disrespect to your grandmom's church, but that's the kind of stuff I don't like. People are turned off by churches that are too churchy/religious and turn their noses up at people. Those kind of churches rarely grow and they certainly aren't carrying out the plans of God because people that might have been on the line as far as turning their lives to Christ get turned off and go the opposite direction.

No problem...its weird. The people my age who grew up in that church that I know are socially weird...it has a strong membership though, and they just built a new chapel.

The weird thing is....my grandfather and grandmother went to different churches. I grew up in my grandfathers church which is baptist. I liked growing up in that church because is was your quintessential black baptist church. It was the 'i'm baptist, so it's okay for me to leave church and go to the food lion down the road to buy a case a beer when I know other church members gonna be in there'. I was baptized there, and married there...lol.

[Mojo]

Paul wrote specifically to alot of different groups that have become the law or taken as the Christian way of life..Do you agree??

Sure. He's responsible for half of the New Testament. What he says definitely holds weight. I just personally believe that particular scripture to not be directed to all women.

[SyncereOne]

Also, my grandmothers church is one of them, every lady must wear a hat joints. Back in the day, my grandmothers hat game was more serious than Q's shoe game...lol.

[Mercury]

Smoka my Nanna will not step foot in a church with a female pastor. She goes to a holiness church here in Richmond and them cats dont play. When I was small my Mom was like you gonna to church with Nanna today and I would freak out. The preacher back then would preach and stare at the visitors the whole sermon. If he was talking about sex, drugs whatever he would direct his eyes and talk straight to you. Then dude be on the drums backing up the choir with a smoothed out go go beat :eek: Then the shouting!!! Man them ladies would shout for hours, running up and down the church. I swear one lady came out pop locking one time :eek:

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yo THAT BEAT IS HOT AND CLUBWORTHY!!! Especially in DC!!!!

[AliAllWorld]

Man one time I was talking to Nanna about Kirk Frankiln and she looked like she was ready to roll up on me. She was like nobody want to hear that worldly music up in church.

I was like I thought the Bishop would be down with Kirk? She was like naw if we want to hold club in the church every Sunday then we'll play Kirk Franklin!

SMH :eek:

[Mojo]

Also, my grandmothers church is one of them, every lady must wear a hat joints. Back in the day, my grandmothers hat game was more serious than Q's shoe game...lol.

Yeah these type joints. You can't even see past them.

http://www.stpeterame.org/Upcoming%20Conferences_clip_image001.jpg

[SyncereOne]

grandma was a life saver during vacation bible school though. We used to have to recite a bible verse daily, and they would give us a new word to find everyday for each verse. When I got my word, i'd go to her and she'd recite one off the top of her head. She actually got mad at me one day because our word was 'jesus' and I was gonna use the ole 'jesus wept' joint. She made me memorize a soliloquy for that...lol.

[Mercury]

My mom and dad also go to 2 different churches.

My mom's church has GREAT GREAT GREAT community and children programs. Their sunday school is on point! They also serve free breakfast every sunday, even if you don't stay for the service. BUT I CANNOT STAND THEIR PREACHER. He is longwinded, pompous, and doesn't preach from the book. He preaches about his personal agenda and his views on America. Some of his sermons include:"boys become gay because the woman won't let the man be the man of the house"..."everybody is sissified"...etc

Now my dad's church is real small. Sunday school non existent. No real choir, just a bunch of volunteers each sunday. No children's programs. When they DO have dinner though, OH BOY the food be on POINT. But I rock with their preacher. Alot of people want him gone because "he's boring" but he really is a student of the book. His sermons aren't "yessuh!" and "can I get an amen!?" His sermons are "in 33 AD Jesus went in front of the Roman Empire. See the law of the roman empire at the time was..." and thats when the old ppl fall asleep LOL. PLUS HE MAKES SURE CHURCH IS OVER BY NOON. REPEAT, HE MAKES SURE CHURCH IS OVER BY NOON. Whereas my moms preacher will go in a tirade and it'll mess around and be 2:00 before he finish.

[AliAllWorld]

Ha ha ha ha...... AND DONT LET A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS OR MORMON COME UP TO THE FRONT DOOR KNOCKING!!!!

NANNA WILL MAKE THEM CHANGE THEIR RELIGION AND START SPEAKING IN TONGUES!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[Mojo]

PLUS HE MAKES SURE CHURCH IS OVER BY NOON. REPEAT, HE MAKES SURE CHURCH IS OVER BY NOON. Whereas my moms preacher will go in a tirade and it'll mess around and be 2:00 before he finish.

Yeah, I'm glad my church starts at 8:30. We're out by 10 no later than 10:30. Those churches that have you up in there til 3-4pm are exhausting. I'm like did we really need the choir to sing 8 songs? Singing whole discographies and stuff. Also, those long-winded, boring dudes/ladies reading the announcements have me about to lose my salvation. lol You didn't have to read the entire program, Sister AnnieMae.

[SyncereOne]

BUT I CANNOT STAND THEIR PREACHER. He is longwinded, pompous, and doesn't preach from the book. He preaches about his personal agenda and his views on America. Some of his sermons include:"boys become gay because the woman won't let the man be the man of the house"..."everybody is sissified"...etc




You sound just like me...I need a preacher to preach straight from the bible. I don't want your interpretation on how what paul and moses would have did in 2010, or stuff like that. I don't want you on the pulpit talkin' bout 'droppin' it like it hot' and shit. I don't want a preacher on the pulpit in some cement 3's and a white tee shirt. I want him up there like this..
http://www.victoriousrobes.com/images/pulpit/vcr_039.jpg

[Mercury]

exactly. I want my preacher to be a scholar and a historian. Not somebody who can tell me the same stuff I can tell myself. Me personally, I don't need 2 hours of "If you fall by the wayside, Jesus'll pick you up." I can tell myself that much LOL.

I need moreso "you should not judge your brothers and sisters. When Jesus met Mary Magdalene, who was a jezzebelle by trade...." and tell me the whole story in great detail so I can understand why we shouldn't snicker at this big boobie girl in the front pew.

[Smoka]

speaking of grandma..My Grandma could multitask.. She could be shoutin and pinching you for talking in church all at the same time.. My homeboi grandma came out the choir stand just to pinch him..That nigga had tears

[Meta4.ce]

If I could create a church that would keep my interest (this would be boring to others however), we would study religious texts from a historical aspect, and REALLY get deep into it (on some Killah Priest ish). Then we would have hour long church jam sessions with live instruments and church-crunk music (yall know what I'm talking about). At the end, instead of a sermon, you would meet with an religious counselor to apply religious principle's to your everyday life.

Yo I'd actually try that.

[The Dre Era]

I have an Aunt in Atlanta and she was telling me her friend invited her to a mega church. She said that the entire street to the church had church owned businesses. There was a gas station, a supermarket, day cares, car washes etc. Each business was owned and operated by the church. She said when they did the offering they had to lock the doors, security guards manned the doors and the church was pretty much locked down until all the money was moved to the back to be counted. Then she asked about joining the church and she was told she would have to submit her W2's :eek:

That's CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!

That's too extreme right there but that's not the first time I heard that before. My church is trying to do that now buying the largest property in Baltimore to build a bigger church, shopping mall, low to middle income housing. I think that takes us back a step in regards to segregation.

[The Dre Era]

I think the "no women in the pulpit" thing is silly. I've met and heard some POWERFUL female preachers.

@Smoka you're not getting back all you gave, so if you're donating that money back it's extra to the church/charity.

I agree....lllll

[Elevate Get High]

how much of tithing is usery?

there's all kinds of passages in the bible about

http://www.tentmaker.org/lists/UsuryScriptureList.html

[The Dre Era]

in regards to the W-2 form for taxes that's false
my parents receive their totals in the mail every tax season
and they never gave the church their W-2's
if you put the money in a envelope with your name and address
they track it that way

[SyncereOne]

in regards to the W-2 form for taxes that's false
my parents receive their totals in the mail every tax season
and they never gave the church their W-2's
if you put the money in a envelope with your name and address
they track it that way

umm....you not seeing the point. It is not for tracking purposes. Every church gives you a statement for your taxes. The big churches want a copy of your W-2s to make sure you are giving at least 10%.

[king]

umm....you not seeing the point. It is not for tracking purposes. Every church gives you a statement for your taxes. The big churches want a copy of your W-2s to make sure you are giving at least 10%.

Stuff like that is B.S., what if you aren't giving 10% they not gonna let you in the building? Fuck you I'll give what I can.

[The Dre Era]

umm....you not seeing the point. It is not for tracking purposes. Every church gives you a statement for your taxes. The big churches want a copy of your W-2s to make sure you are giving at least 10%.
i've heard rumors about that but never seen that happen personally or know anyone that goes to a church like that.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

i've heard rumors about that but never seen that happen personally or know anyone that goes to a church like that.

I believe Creflo Dollar's church in Atlanta does that.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

Are you serious??? Its not GIVING if you claim it on your taxes..Its borrowing with the expectations of getting something back.. I think anyone that does that missed the true essence of giving..Same with donations too

I agree. Thats like the Government subsidizing your salvation. And quite frankly, the government has no place being in that business.

[SyncereOne]

I believe Creflo Dollar's church in Atlanta does that.

Yeah...that the church Ali is talking about. Our aunt lives down in the ATL.

[Smoka]

Yeah...that the church Ali is talking about. Our aunt lives down in the ATL.I heard you had to have atleast 680 credit score to be amember there.. 715 score to be in the choir.. lol

[Gifted]

Just read 11 pages..and everything I expected to happen in this thread did EXCEPT I was waiting for the Bro Franklin youtube video to pop up...


Its weird but I agree with parts of what everybody said.

I'm on the fence on this topic...its been times I've tithed..and didn't. think the point of tithing is sacrificing....but I look at it as also an act of service. So if I made 100 G's this year, I put 10 G's in the plate? Ok, thats one way to look at it. But what if spent 10 G's on some minivans to give strugglin families with no transportation, and they use those same vans to get to church or maybe deliver food to the needy. Would I still need to write off a check for 10 thou payable to Trinity Baptist church so they can buy new windows?

I currently tithe..and I am satisfied in doing it.

I was born baptist, small church. So I know the "no woman in pulpit, tell your life story during the testimony, missionary meetings, choir and the congregation same people, preacher talking bout his personal life as well as scripture, catch holy ghost when the deacon praying about nothing, the typical "Will There Be One" alter call with accompanying sermon outro music, having fast songs chopped and screwed by the SENIOR choir....all that. When I got older, I stopped going to church..then got back in and gwent to big churches. I looked at other religions too. How some stories seem to be similar in varying religions... I've read all the bible contradictions. I've struggled trying to grasp how the red sea was parted in real life, how you can feed a bunch of people with five fish and 2 loaves of bread unless it was five whales (I can eat that from Captain D's)...so I can understand people who doubt or post up pictures mocking Jesus. I doubted too...for a loong time, even when I was in church I would sit there thinking "so the bible says you have to confess with your mouth to be saved, what about people who can't talk? Can they confess thru sign language". I think I had about 2 million questions about God...

I have been on this earth just under 3 decades...and all I can say, is that you really have to personalize your connection with God and you will get an understanding that compounds your faith, and a faith that will increase your understanding. Studying and being steadfast in the word... Things like tithing, dress codes, women in the pulpit...they will make sense. I'm happy in my faith and in my trust in God.


I didn't mean to say that much. Its just my opinion, I don't know it all, still open and learning.....I respect everybody's opinions and beliefs though.

[The Dre Era]

you really have to personalize your connection with God and you will get an understanding that compounds your faith, and a faith that will increase your understanding.
you hit it on the nail right there
today i pretty much personalize my connection with god taking bits and pieces out of the services of the churches i go to or become a member of. i am at the point where I believe that regardless of any church i become a member of there will be things I don't like about the church. I believe we are all hypocrites of the churches we are members of. A prime example is "Gay" members in church.
Homosexual behavior is sinful but these days its often ignored as long as they cut the check.

[Mercury]

if being gay is a sin, then don't they BELONG in the church?

[The Dre Era]

if being gay is a sin, then don't they BELONG in the church?
to my knowledge
according to the bible they don't
but today people turn a blind eye to it

[Mercury]

if you turn away "sinful" people then doesn't that defeat the purpose of church? I thought church was to change people from "sinful" to "saved"? If you don't let sinners in the church then its no use for church to exist.

And no I'm not calling gay people sinners, this could apply to anybody. Like yall could say "don't let this killer in church". He need to be in church moreso for real.

[The Dre Era]

if you turn away "sinful" people then doesn't that defeat the purpose of church? I thought church was to change people from "sinful" to "saved"? If you don't let sinners in the church then its no use for church to exist.

And no I'm not calling gay people sinners, this could apply to anybody. Like yall could say "don't let this killer in church". He need to be in church moreso for real.
The Baptist church's stance on homosexuality somewhat depends on the individual church's affiliation. For instance, the Southern Baptist Convention adheres to the belief that the Bible denounces homosexuality, therefore it is sinful. They believe that sexual preference is a choice, and that homosexual people can eventually overcome their homosexuality to become chaste. Despite the fact that the SBC sees homosexuality as a sin, they do not classify it as an unforgivable sin.

Most independent Baptist churches also consider homosexuality sinful, but some member churches in the American Baptist Churches USA and Cooperative Baptist Fellowship are more inclusive, though the ABC does state that homosexuality goes against Bible teachings and the CBF does not support homosexual unions.

Still, the Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists advocates for the full inclusion of homosexual, bisexual, and transgendered persons. AWAB advocates to end discrimination based on sexual orientation and support a network of AWAB churches.
http://christianteens.about.com/od/homosexuality/f/BaptistHomosexu.htm

[Nerd Motivation 101]

Homosexual behavior is sinful but these days its often ignored as long as they cut the check.

Don't you have a son? Last I checked, premarital sex was sinful too but they still let you in the door.

[Gifted]

Don't you have a son? Last I checked, premarital sex was sinful too but they still let you in the door.


yeah, and I understand your stance Dre...but I don't like when people try to point out others in a holier than thou stance. And yeah, I know thats not what you meant, you just don't think its right and you were making the point that its overlooked to the point its not even discussed, I get it....




we are all sinners saved by grace....

[The Dre Era]

Don't you have a son? Last I checked, premarital sex was sinful too but they still let you in the door.
sooooo do you have a problem with Women In The Pulpit

[Nerd Motivation 101]

sooooo do you have a problem with Women In The Pulpit

Nope. I don't.

[Mercury]

sooooo do you have a problem with Women In The Pulpit

you avoided his question.

[Plain Ole Me]

if being gay is a sin, then don't they BELONG in the church?

depends.. in leadership no. How can the blind lead the blind? In the flock? Depends because while people need opportunity to change n it's very seldom overnite. At the same time bible talks about rebuking a brother in sin and what steps should be taken if they dont take heed. Its not a y or n answer.

[The Dre Era]

Don't you have a son? Last I checked, premarital sex was sinful too but they still let you in the door.
yeh i do have a son but i don't view premarital sex and homosexuality as being the same thing or on the same level as a "sin".
prostitution for example is in the bible and one of the oldest professions
at one point if people found out you was gay they executed yo ass

[Plain Ole Me]

yeh i do have a son but i don't view premarital sex and homosexuality as being the same thing or on the same level as a "sin".
prostitution for example is in the bible and one of the oldest professions
at one point if people found out you was gay they executed yo ass
hmm...
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8150/jamesa.jpg

btw i agree witchu Dre im just having fun, lol

[The Dre Era]

hmm...
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8150/jamesa.jpg

btw i agree witchu Dre im just having fun, lol
lol good one....

[Mercury]

Yall aren't god yall don't get to say what sin is worth what weight.

[B.G.]

I use to tithe back in high school when my mother made me, but I stop doing it once I was out on my own. Plus ever since I went to a T.D. Jakes service, I'm not really high on giving a lot during offerings. I mean they literally blocked the doors so people couldn't leave. You weren't leaving out of there without giving something. Every since then, I've resorted to just giving a couple of dollars. At most, I'll give $5.

[Mojo]

Yall aren't god yall don't get to say what sin is worth what weight.

Exactly. A there's no sin greater than another. I'm personally disgusted by homosexuality, but like Merc said, I'm not God and it isn't my place to judge. I don't agree with homosexuals being up in the pulpit or having leadership roles in the church though.

I use to tithe back in high school when my mother made me, but I stop doing it once I was out on my own. Plus ever since I went to a T.D. Jakes service, I'm not really high on giving a lot during offerings. I mean they literally blocked the doors so people couldn't leave. You weren't leaving out of there without giving something. Every since then, I've resorted to just giving a couple of dollars. At most, I'll give $5.

They lock the doors because offering is more than just a time to get money to the church. It's actually a holy part in the service. It is very disrespectful to be moving around and walking out during that time. It's the same reason a lot of churches don't like people walking in and out during prayers or alter calls. Too many people take offering time as the time they need to "go to the bathroom".

[The Dre Era]

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[Mojo]

I've never been a huge fan of Creflo Dollar. The constant money talk is a huge turn-off. I understand wanting to see your flock prosperous and teaching them about Biblical principles regarding money, but that's too much. I really got annoyed around the 6:30 mark when he was saying that he would talk about something else when his congregation becomes wealthy like there aren't more important things concerning the church.

[Mojo]

As far as him having money, in his defense, he is paid pretty well by all of his businesses, books, and honorariums from speaking engagements.

[AliAllWorld]

So if the preacher, bishop, reverend, pope is grabbing like 1 - 9 million a year off of what they do......who do they give their tithe too?

[Mojo]

Some sow it back into the church and some tithe up to their spiritual leader.

[The Dre Era]

I guess old Creflo be doing baptisms in his living room
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/112/creflo1787219mj4.jpg

[Plain Ole Me]

Some sow it back into the church and some tithe up to their spiritual leader.

yep my pastor tithes.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

I'd tithe too if the money went right back in my pocket.

I also don't agree with preachers making millions from book deals. If you're really trying to change people's lives (and not make a quick buck) then forgo the huge publishers and use your megachurch resources to give the book away for free or at least sell it at cost.

[Mr.T]

http://www.oldpaths.com/Archive/Davison/Roy/Allen/1940/give.html

[Mojo]

I'd tithe too if the money went right back in my pocket.

I also don't agree with preachers making millions from book deals. If you're really trying to change people's lives (and not make a quick buck) then forgo the huge publishers and use your megachurch resources to give the book away for free or at least sell it at cost.

If they make millions off the book they can afford to give some away. Why is it a bad thing for them to get money?

[Nerd Motivation 101]

If they make millions off the book they can afford to give some away. Why is it a bad thing for them to get money?

It would be great if they actually gave most of that money back to the church and community. But instead they buy multi-million dollar houses and $200,000 cars. And that represents everything that Jesus stood against. Clergyman aren't supposed to be capitalists. They aren't supposed to have those vices. They are supposed to save greedy, selfish people like me from eternal damnation. But I'm not let someone with a million dollar house and a Rolls Royce in the driveway lecture me about greed. Maybe thats why they preach "prosperity" gospel

[Mojo]

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[Smoka]

It would be great if they actually gave most of that money back to the church and community. But instead they buy multi-million dollar houses and $200,000 cars. And that represents everything that Jesus stood against. Clergyman aren't supposed to be capitalists. They aren't supposed to have those vices. They are supposed to save greedy, selfish people like me from eternal damnation. But I'm not let someone with a million dollar house and a Rolls Royce in the driveway lecture me about greed. Maybe thats why they preach "prosperity" gospel
Real talk!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mojo]

I don't have a problem with pastors having nice things and a healthy bank account. I do have a problem when it becomes their focus and it becomes excessive. Multi-million dollar homes is excessive in my opinion. On the other side though, most of us only speculate about what some of these people do with their money. We can talk and gossip all day about what they have, but we don't know how much they donate and give away. People choose to ignore those types of things because it's not as juicy. Even though I don't agree with the multi-million dollar houses I will never let that have an impact on my relationship with God, and if that's my pastor and that's where God wants me to be I'm staying and going to do my part.

I Timothy 5:17-18 says, "Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine."

[Plain Ole Me]

It would be great if they actually gave most of that money back to the church and community. But instead they buy multi-million dollar houses and $200,000 cars. And that represents everything that Jesus stood against. Clergyman aren't supposed to be capitalists. They aren't supposed to have those vices. They are supposed to save greedy, selfish people like me from eternal damnation. But I'm not let someone with a million dollar house and a Rolls Royce in the driveway lecture me about greed. Maybe thats why they preach "prosperity" gospel

which vices can they have? lol..

[The Dre Era]

Pastor Fires Staff

Should a pastor fire employees if they dont pay tithes on a regular basis or at all ??

A co-worker that knows someone that attends Bishop Paul Morton's church said that he informed the congregation that he had "let go" of some staff members for not being tithers.

I have heard of other pastors around the country using scare tactics and threats to get people to pay tithes. One pastor told the congregants that anyone that did not pay tithes he would not have any conversation with them other than a hello.

Is this biblical, is this what the church has come to? How should non tithers be handled?

[Mojo]

A co-worker that knows someone that attends Bishop Paul Morton's church said that he informed the congregation that he had "let go" of some staff members for not being tithers.

I have NO problem with this. It's not because the pastor is money hungry. It's because his staff...people that are supposed to lead and be examples are not following the mandates made by God.


I have heard of other pastors around the country using scare tactics and threats to get people to pay tithes. One pastor told the congregants that anyone that did not pay tithes he would not have any conversation with them other than a hello.


This is wrong. Did he tell the people that lie, fornicate, shack up, etc. that he won't speak to them? In other words, a sin is a sin. He shouldn't condemn people for sin. Let God do that. This one sounds kinda Crefloish.

[The Dre Era]

I have NO problem with this. It's not because the pastor is money hungry. It's because his staff...people that are supposed to lead and be examples are not following the mandates made by God.



This is wrong. Did he tell the people that lie, fornicate, shack up, etc. that he won't speak to them? In other words, a sin is a sin. He shouldn't condemn people for sin. Let God do that. This one sounds kinda Crefloish.
I thought tithing was a personal thing between you and god?

[Mercury]

I think I gotta roll with Dre on this one.

[Plain Ole Me]

I thought tithing was a personal thing between you and god?

how is tithing personal? is it ten percent gross or not?

[The Dre Era]

how is tithing personal? is it ten percent gross or not?
its a personal connection between you and god
where in the bible does it say the pastor and the whole church needs to know how much you give
and how much you make?
when i tithe i don't even put my name on the envelope
i don't care about a tax write off or anything. its tithing......

[Mojo]

I thought tithing was a personal thing between you and god?

It is between you and God...just like sin is between you and God. That doesn't mean you're supposed to not do it.. To me, people who don't put their name on the envelope are ashamed about what they're giving.

I've never been to a church where the whole church had to know what you make and how much you tithe. I think that's your own imagination drawing that up through misconceptions.

[The Dre Era]

It is between you and God...just like sin is between you and God. That doesn't mean you're supposed to not do it.. To me, people who don't put their name on the envelope are ashamed about what they're giving.

I've never been to a church where the whole church had to know what you make and how much you tithe. I think that's your own imagination drawing that up through misconceptions.
not ashamed at all
i dont need a church to keep track of how much i give
its my business
why must i provide my name, address, phone# and email to be honest with god:rolleyes:

[Mojo]

why must i provide my name, address, phone# and email to be honest with god:rolleyes:

For one, tax purposes. You said you don't care about that, but some people do. So what are they supposed to give you a special envelope or something? It's not what you think it is behind the scenes. There aren't people back there sifting through all the envelopes and making mental notes of how much people individually are tithing. I am one of the counters for my church and we could care less who gave what and how much they gave. Our ONLY concern is that we are able to pay the bills and save for future projects.

[The Dre Era]

For one, tax purposes. You said you don't care about that, but some people do. So what are they supposed to give you a special envelope or something? It's not what you think it is behind the scenes. There aren't people back there sifting through all the envelopes and making mental notes of how much people individually are tithing. I am one of the counters for my church and we could care less who gave what and how much they gave. Our ONLY concern is that we are able to pay the bills and save for future projects.
do i see taxes anywhere in the bible:rolleyes:
so using god as a tax write off not a sin?
you mean pay the bills and the reverend :D

[Nerd Motivation 101]

which vices can they have? lol..

Everyone is human. And I won't fault someone for engaging in a little materialism. I take issue with it when a pastor 1. tries to justify the behavior because its "what God wants" 2. uses the church or religion as a mean to getting money (not comfortable lifestyle money...baller status money).

If you got that million dollar house because you peddle Jesus for profit then I can't get down with it.

[Nah]

do i see taxes anywhere in the bible:rolleyes:
so using god as a tax write off not a sin?
you mean pay the bills and the reverend :D

Actually...

In Matthew 22:17-21, the Pharisees asked Jesus a question, "Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?" But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?" "Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." In full agreement, the Apostle Paul taught, "This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor" (Romans 13:6-7).

Just playing devil's advocate. :D Oops.

[T-MADDY]

If you got that million dollar house because you peddle Jesus for profit then I can't get down with it.

what qualifies a pastor to pastor? do "people" really believe he's chosen/ holy and cant do no wrong? or is it a he has more bible knowledge than me, thing?

this crazy face lady was preaching on the train a couple days ago and I was thinking how she needs her own church asap...she was passionate.

[The Dre Era]

is this the new version of making it rain in church?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aOFSgt5w-c