Penn State problems

[king]

Man, this whole situation is ugly. I honestly don't see this situation doesn't end up with everybody getting fired.



http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/11/07/sandusky_grand_jury_presentment.pdf?hpt=hp_t1 (pretty graphic reading)

[Mojo]

Joe Pat too?

[SyncereOne]

My boss is a penn state grad....came out in like 99...I came to work this morning and asked him if he wanted me to set up a press conference at work so he could step down from his position.

[king]

Joe Pat too?

I mean, he knew what was going on and still let dude hang out on campus etc. Joe should have notified the cops after he saw that the AD did nothing.

[The Dre Era]

Very sad to hear
Hate to see Joe go out like this especially since they are having a great season leading the Big Ten and currently ranked #12 in the country
its like now his 50 year tenure and what he has accomplished is basically nothing now. Now the goons are out to get him. smh
Does anything have a happy ending anymore in sports?
I guess you can call me old school cause this shit definitely saddens me.

[Mojo]

I more saddened about the boys whose lives will never be the same because of the heinous acts, but it is disappointing if Paterno goes out with this hanging over his legacy.

[king]

Very sad to hear
Hate to see Joe go out like this especially since they are having a great season leading the Big Ten and currently ranked #12 in the country
its like now his 50 year tenure and what he has accomplished is basically nothing now. Now the goons are out to get him. smh
Does anything have a happy ending anymore in sports?
I guess you can call me old school cause this shit definitely saddens me.

You act like Paterno is a victim here.

[Qwasian]

I don't really get the situation, even more than "why didn't paterno follow up on it" why didn't the mothers/parents of the children follow up on it? that's the part that doesn't seem quite right to me? you got two different situations where he was caught on? and they never took it anywhere? why didn't the parents make a situation at penn state? why didn't the parents alert everyone about the situation and blow the roof off the shit?

I just don't get that shit at all..... I couldn't imagine being one of those parents and not fighting that to the death.......

we are talking about a situation over a decade old

it seems like the media should have been involved from day 1.........

if the guy had been accused and beat it, then accused again, what was paterno really supposed to do? the guy was beating the shit on all accounts? what does paterno do?

[Qwasian]

this guy wrote a book called touched? u gotta be bullshitting right now.........

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575

[The Dre Era]

You act like Paterno is a victim here.
Being a fan of Ohio State watching my favorite college football program go down this year because our coach didn't go tell the people above him what was going on it saddens me because in this situation Joe Paterno did immediately go tell the people above him who in the long run did nothing. But this day in age Joe Paterno is facing public scrutiny for not going above the ADs head in taking action. I believe it was a lose lose situation for him because today if anything like this happen and Joe Parterno or any other coach reacted quickly = heads still would of rolled because it happen on their watch.

[king]

this guy wrote a book called touched? u gotta be bullshitting right now.........

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575

Yeah I saw the Deadspin article on that. You really couldn't make that up if you tried.

[Qwasian]

not sure of all the details, but supposedly the shit he's being indicted on happened in 2002? sandusky wasn't coaching at penn state during the time? it's saying that he retired in 1999......

makes it really strange that they pulled paterno into that if that's the case? if the guy wasn't even coaching at the university how would paterno even know what action was taken against him? or follow up on it?

[king]

not sure of all the details, but supposedly the shit he's being indicted on happened in 2002? sandusky wasn't coaching at penn state during the time? it's saying that he retired in 1999......

makes it really strange that they pulled paterno into that if that's the case? if the guy wasn't even coaching at the university how would paterno even know what action was taken against him? or follow up on it?

20 of the counts happened while he was a coach at Penn State. The 2002 thing is just one of the counts against the guy. He stopped being a coach at PSU in 1999 but he was still around and affiliated with Penn state. I think he ran one of their football camps for kids.

[Qwasian]

20 of the counts happened while he was a coach at Penn State. The 2002 thing is just one of the counts against the guy. He stopped being a coach at PSU in 1999 but he was still around and affiliated with Penn state. I think he ran one of their football camps for kids.

yeah I mean if they tried to sweep the shit under the rug at all, then all them bastards should be tried......... that's crazy to think a whole set of people could cover something up like that and still employ the bastard...... I might have more sympathy with the university if they just completely cut ties and moved away from it/didn't want to be involved, but to still have him around, that's crazzzzzzzyyyyyy.

I would have beat the shit out that d00d on sight..... he looks like a weirdo to me off top.

[The Dre Era]

shits creazy

On March 1, 2002, a Penn State graduate assistant ("graduate assistant") who was then 28
years old, entered the locker room at the Lasch Football Building on the University Park Campus
on a Friday night before the beginning of Spring Break. The graduate assistant, who was
familiar with Sandusky, was going to put some newly purchased sneakers in his locker and get
some recruiting tapes to watch. It was about 9:30 p.m. As the graduate assistant entered the
locker room doors, he was surprised to find the lights and showers on. He then heard rhythmic,
slapping sounds. He believed the sounds to be those of sexual activity. As the graduate assistant
put the sneakers in his locker, he looked into the shower. He saw a naked boy, Victim 2, whose
age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal
intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant was shocked but noticed that both
Victim 2 and Sandusky saw him. The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught.
The graduate assistant went to his office and called his father, reporting to him what he
had seen. His father told the graduate assistant to leave the building and come to his home. The
graduate assistant and his father decided that the graduate assistant had to promptly report what
he had seen to Coach Joe Paterno ("Paterno"), head football coach of Penn State. The next
morning, a Saturday, the graduate assistant telephoned Paterno and went to Paterno's home,
where he reported what he had seen.
Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant's report at his home on a
Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called
Tim Curley ("Curley"), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior, to his
home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry
Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a
young boy.
Approximately one and a half weeks later, the graduate assistant was called to a meeting
with Penn State Athletic Director Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business
Gary Schultz ("Schultz"). The graduate assistant reported to Curley and Schultz that he had
witnessed what he believed to be Sandusky having anal sex with a boy in the Lasch Building
showers. Curley and Schultz assured the graduate assistant that they would look into it and
determine what further action they would take. Paterno was not present for this meeting.
The graduate assistant heard back from Curley a couple of weeks later. He was told that
Sandusky's keys to the locker room were taken away and that the incident had been reported to
The Second Mile. The graduate assistant was never questioned by University Police and no other entity conducted an investigation until he testified in Grand Jury in December, 2010. The Grand
Jury finds the graduate assistant's testimony to be extremely credible.

[Mojo]

I'm just troubled by the fact that the graduate assistant 1. Thought Paterno was better to tell than the police. And 2. That he waited until the next morning to tell him.

[king]

I'm just troubled by the fact that the graduate assistant 1. Thought Paterno was better to tell than the police. And 2. That he waited until the next morning to tell him.

Yeah, I can't think of any scenario when I would just let that go on and go call my Dad to figure out what to do. I would stop it and might kick the dudes ass.

[The Dre Era]

I'm just troubled by the fact that the graduate assistant 1. Thought Paterno was better to tell than the police. And 2. That he waited until the next morning to tell him.
I agree but I think it was his father that persuaded him to go to Joe Paterno 1st.
Dude went straight to his pops before anybody else.

[Mojo]

. I would stop it and might kick the dudes ass.

I probably would've sprayed him with a fire extinguisher but I don't think id fight a butt naked wet dude that was in the middle of having anal.

[The Dre Era]

I would have went straight to campus police.

[king]

I would have went straight to campus police.

I would have went to the real police lol

[Mercury]

Like Q said, why didn't the parents whup ass? off top?

Every thing else isn't right, but I can rationalize it out.
-maybe the grad student was so shocked, alarmed, etc that he just didnt have the poise to do the obvious thing. Imagine you walking in a room and see a dude plugging a boy, you'd be like WTF?!?!? HE 100% MADE THE WRONG DECISION. But i've seen ppl react wrong. My neighbor growing up went to a party and dude standing next to him got shot at point blank and a piece of brain landed on his shirt. My neighbor went crazy for like a week and kept the shirt with the brain stain on it no matter how many times we told him to throw it away.
-Maybe Joe felt that this was hearsay, and did his protocal, but didn't feel like he had the sufficient evidence to go the extra mile, etc

BUT I CAN NOT RATIONALIZE WHY PARENTS DIDN'T RUN UP ON CAMPUS and start cutting peoples heads off!?!?!? My mom damn near blew my high school up because they ain't let me take spanish 4!

[The Dre Era]

Like Q said, why didn't the parents whup ass? off top?

Every thing else isn't right, but I can rationalize it out.
-maybe the grad student was so shocked, alarmed, etc that he just didnt have the poise to do the obvious thing. Imagine you walking in a room and see a dude plugging a boy, you'd be like WTF?!?!? HE 100% MADE THE WRONG DECISION. But i've seen ppl react wrong. My neighbor growing up went to a party and dude standing next to him got shot at point blank and a piece of brain landed on his shirt. My neighbor went crazy for like a week and kept the shirt with the brain stain on it no matter how many times we told him to throw it away.
-Maybe Joe felt that this was hearsay, and did his protocal, but didn't feel like he had the sufficient evidence to go the extra mile, etc

BUT I CAN NOT RATIONALIZE WHY PARENTS DIDN'T RUN UP ON CAMPUS and start cutting peoples heads off!?!?!? My mom damn near blew my high school up because they ain't let me take spanish 4!
I agree..... 100%

[The Dre Era]

Like Q said, why didn't the parents whup ass? off top?

Every thing else isn't right, but I can rationalize it out.
-maybe the grad student was so shocked, alarmed, etc that he just didnt have the poise to do the obvious thing. Imagine you walking in a room and see a dude plugging a boy, you'd be like WTF?!?!? HE 100% MADE THE WRONG DECISION. But i've seen ppl react wrong. My neighbor growing up went to a party and dude standing next to him got shot at point blank and a piece of brain landed on his shirt. My neighbor went crazy for like a week and kept the shirt with the brain stain on it no matter how many times we told him to throw it away.
-Maybe Joe felt that this was hearsay, and did his protocal, but didn't feel like he had the sufficient evidence to go the extra mile, etc

BUT I CAN NOT RATIONALIZE WHY PARENTS DIDN'T RUN UP ON CAMPUS and start cutting peoples heads off!?!?!? My mom damn near blew my high school up because they ain't let me take spanish 4!
If I saw some shit like that going down at my job I am going to go to my Boss

[king]

If I saw some shit like that going down at my job I am going to go to my Boss

Thats what we all would do, that isn't the issue. The issue is when you go to your boss and ole buddy is cracking jokes at work the next week and nothing happened.

[king]

Like Q said, why didn't the parents whup ass? off top?

BUT I CAN NOT RATIONALIZE WHY PARENTS DIDN'T RUN UP ON CAMPUS and start cutting peoples heads off!?!?!? My mom damn near blew my high school up because they ain't let me take spanish 4!


I don't think the parents knew. Kids don't usually tell their parents that this type of stuff is going on. Thats why it went on as long as it did. You have to remember that these kids were underprivileged youths or youths that came from a bad home. I would also imagine that there was a great deal if manipulation going on to prevent the kids from telling anybody else. Once a parent finally found out in 2008 thats when they started the investigation.

[The Dre Era]

I don't think the parents knew. Kids don't usually tell their parents that this type of stuff is going on. Thats why it went on as long as it did. You have to remember that these kids were underprivileged youths or youths that came from a bad home. I would also imagine that there was a great deal if manipulation going on to prevent the kids from telling anybody else. Once a parent finally found out in 2008 thats when they started the investigation.
I dunno fam
if a grown ass man is calling my son on the phone daily on a regular im gonna sense something is up.

[king]

I dunno fam
if a grown ass man is calling my son on the phone daily on a regular im gonna sense something is up.

The difference is you are a good parent, some of these parents were probably glad to have somebody take their kid off of their hands. Also if your son was an athlete trying to play in college you wouldn't mind Jerry Sandusky calling him. He told one kid he would let him walk on at PSU, the parents were probably thrilled whenever he called.

[Mercury]

I don't think the parents knew. Kids don't usually tell their parents that this type of stuff is going on. Thats why it went on as long as it did. You have to remember that these kids were underprivileged youths or youths that came from a bad home. I would also imagine that there was a great deal if manipulation going on to prevent the kids from telling anybody else. Once a parent finally found out in 2008 thats when they started the investigation.

makes sense...

I took webbie's advice...when you don't know the answer, you ask someone who does!

[king]

Paterno retiring at the end of the season

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7211281/penn-state-nittany-lions-joe-paterno-retire-end-season-sources-say

[The Dre Era]

Paterno retiring at the end of the season

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7211281/penn-state-nittany-lions-joe-paterno-retire-end-season-sources-say
Sad way to go
And I say that in regards to his career
Look at college football's historic coaches
Woody Hayes = forced out
Joe Paterno = forced out amid scandal
Eddie Robinson = forced out

After Bear Bryant last game he coached he was asked what he planned to do now that he was retired. He replied "Probably croak in a week. He died 4 weeks later

[Mojo]

Yeah, unfortunately without football I think Paterno will pass shortly after too.

Bowden was forced out of FSU wasn't he?

[The Dre Era]

Yeah, unfortunately without football I think Paterno will pass shortly after too.

Bowden was forced out of FSU wasn't he?

Damn forgot to add him to the list. he was definitely forced out and to this day I will never be a fan of FSU again. He did not deserve to go out like that.
Now to be somewhat fair to FSU. they did endure a scandal too

[king]

Sad way to go
And I say that in regards to his career
Look at college football's historic coaches
Woody Hayes = forced out
Joe Paterno = forced out amid scandal
Eddie Robinson = forced out

After Bear Bryant last game he coached he was asked what he planned to do now that he was retired. He replied "Probably croak in a week. He died 4 weeks later

Hayes went nuts on the sidelines and Robinson while a legend started losing. Sadly you can't stay around forever just because you are a legend.

[The Dre Era]

Hayes went nuts on the sidelines and Robinson while a legend started losing. Sadly you can't stay around forever just because you are a legend.
true but there was friction between Woddy & the AD before the accident and many people speculate they wanted to get rid of him before hand.

[Smoka]

If an older woman that chases younger boys are called a cougar,then what do you call an older man that chases young boys... A nittany Lion????? Im just sayin...lol

Dear Lord.. I apologize

[Mojo]

Dang, they're saying dude has been at psu just last week.

[Qwasian]

Paterno Fired

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7214380/joe-paterno-president-graham-spanier-penn-state

[Jeff Sticks]

The president resigned too smh this is one of the most prestigious US schools and this situation could have easily been avoided had the police been alerted. If them niggaz won't winning, I bet the police would have been alerted and he would have been fired off top.

[Smoka]

Those students ain't goin for that shit... Joe PA is and will always be respected in my opinion..The man did 4 decades coaching at the same University.. That will never be done again!!

[Mojo]

Especially since he only won 2 titles. Universities are quick to fire a coach now.

[Mercury]

the students flipped a damn news van over and everything.

do they not understand that if you break the law there is a punishment? Joe is a legend but how cops play the whole "accessory/accomplice/if you don't tell you are guilty too" thing he lucky his ass ain't locked up!

[Mojo]

#accomplish

[Mercury]

#accomplish

**VCU snatches degree off my wall**

[Mojo]

At least yours is on your wall. Both my degrees are still rolled up in that tube they come in when you get them in the mail.

[The Dre Era]

This whole shit disgust me all around
irks the shit out of me that the past 48 hrs I have seen Joe Paterno's face plastered across my TV screen more then the actual child molester.
The actual child molester whop is facing 40 charges of molestation is out of jail on bail with no court ordered restrictions in regards to being around kids and yet many people who don't follow football and didn't know who Joe Paterno even was before this week are throwing the book at him crucifying him like hes the one being charged!
That man followed the protocol in reporting to his boss what the assistant who saw the act and didn't call the police told him. Not long ago my favorite college team Ohio State got crucified because our great coach didn't follow the protocol in telling his boss what was going on so WTF is Right & Wrong These Days.
Man has been with the University 61 years and his tenure ends with a phone call and not a face to face in which the university would not allow him to have a press conference is some bullshit.

People either don't know or ignoring the fact that the authorities tried to go after Sandusky years ago in which the Prosecutor who over saw that is missing and presumed dead!!!!!!
The Mystery Of Ray Gricar, The Prosecutor Who Failed To Prosecute Jerry Sandusky (And Who Might Be Dead)
http://deadspin.com/5857966/the-mystery-of-ray-gricar-the-prosecutor-who-failed-to-prosecute-jerry-sandusky-and-who-might-be-dead?tag=jerry-sandusky

[The Dre Era]

At least yours is on your wall. Both my degrees are still rolled up in that tube they come in when you get them in the mail.
I believe degrees are for parents. Mines go straight to moms who hangs them on her wall.

[The Dre Era]

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/393690_953407751452_39101918_40057679_233378783_n. jpg

[Mercury]

you know ESPN needs Joe Pat to make a story and to boost those ratings!

[The Dre Era]

you know ESPN needs Joe Pat to make a story and to boost those ratings!

man i worked from home today and espn has literally been on this story nonstop
bringing analyst out of retirement and shit to comment on this smh

[king]

the students flipped a damn news van over and everything.

do they not understand that if you break the law there is a punishment? Joe is a legend but how cops play the whole "accessory/accomplice/if you don't tell you are guilty too" thing he lucky his ass ain't locked up!

He didn't break the law and they don't really have any grounds to arrest him under.

[Mojo]

Isn't it obstruction of justice if you don't report a crime that you have knowledge of?

[The Dre Era]

Isn't it obstruction of justice if you don't report a crime that you have knowledge of?
no he didn't brake a single law. he followed the protocol in relaying the information to his boss the Athletic Director

As of now the victims can only get Paterno in a civil suit trying to prove that he was liable.

[The Dre Era]

Isn't it obstruction of justice if you don't report a crime that you have knowledge of?
plus to better answer your question it would be Perjury because Joe gave his side of the story under oath.

[Mojo]

For a crime like that one would think that protocol or the chain of command would be police first, boss second...not boss first and no police at all.

[Jeff Sticks]

Fuck a job, poor and black kids were raped, that's definitely being overlooked

[The Dre Era]

Fuck a job, poor and black kids were raped, that's definitely being overlooked
how do you know the kids are black?

[Qwasian]

they saying now some shit about he might have had a prostitution situation with the kids that involved people making donations to the school...... if that's true I think everybody out that joint might get axed, paterno might get jail time if that comes out that way.

[Mercury]

For a crime like that one would think that protocol or the chain of command would be police first, boss second...not boss first and no police at all.

thats what I'm thinking.

Like I said, they won't do Joe like this...and I know what the letter of the law says, but I've seen situations where they attempt to lock people up for even fraternizing with someone who you know broke the law. Like King said, it may not hold up in court, but depending on the cop they damn sure gonna slap cuffs on you if they want to.

Like if Dre a drug dealer, and I'm chillin' with him, and the cops come arrest Dre, some cops might mess around and cuff me too, right OR wrong. Seen it with MY OWN 2 EYES. That was the point I was tryna make.

Prostitution @ Q? Man WTF?? This story is getting sicker by the day. The worst part of the whole thing is most children that had to go thru that will NEVER recover. You've pretty much ruined their life and future off top. My homegirl works with those type of children for a living...she says 9/10 never get right...its a chore to even keep them from killing themselves or others, let alone recover.

[Nerd_Ferguson]

This whole shit disgust me all around
irks the shit out of me that the past 48 hrs I have seen Joe Paterno's face plastered across my TV screen more then the actual child molester.
The actual child molester whop is facing 40 charges of molestation is out of jail on bail with no court ordered restrictions in regards to being around kids and yet many people who don't follow football and didn't know who Joe Paterno even was before this week are throwing the book at him crucifying him like hes the one being charged!
That man followed the protocol in reporting to his boss what the assistant who saw the act and didn't call the police told him. Not long ago my favorite college team Ohio State got crucified because our great coach didn't follow the protocol in telling his boss what was going on so WTF is Right & Wrong These Days.
Man has been with the University 61 years and his tenure ends with a phone call and not a face to face in which the university would not allow him to have a press conference is some bullshit.

People either don't know or ignoring the fact that the authorities tried to go after Sandusky years ago in which the Prosecutor who over saw that is missing and presumed dead!!!!!!
The Mystery Of Ray Gricar, The Prosecutor Who Failed To Prosecute Jerry Sandusky (And Who Might Be Dead)
http://deadspin.com/5857966/the-mystery-of-ray-gricar-the-prosecutor-who-failed-to-prosecute-jerry-sandusky-and-who-might-be-dead?tag=jerry-sandusky

Yea let's not compare tattoos and jerseys to raping 10 year old boys.

[Wallace341]

Everybody in here saying "I WOULDA, I WOULDA CALLED THE POLICE...GTFOH! ya'll niccas speak of crimes daily on DZ and not nah one of ya'll ever phoned the police not one for anything so shut that "what u woulda done shit up". If you ain't never been in the situation or understand what was going thru the assistants head then you can't make the call on what you would have done.
True the good guy in you may have wanted to phone the authorities but you're dealing with personal courage to not only be prepared to testify but to go head to head with Penn muthafuckin State if they feel the need to silence yo ass. We all know how these organizations work, we've all been in situations where you KNEW something was wrong yet you had to choose your reaction after assessing the full situation.
You'd be surprised how far down the list of "things to do in case of law violation" the average person puts "Calling the Police". Dude's response in this incident is in direct relation to human nature...NO one truly gives a fuck about the next person,circumstance,situation. All we do as humans is REPORT things because it makes US feel like we did SOMETHING and at the end of the day that's all we need to feel to sleep at night so shut that hero shit up and sit back and shake ya head at the situation and keep it moving like everyone else in this fucked up world...238 Bitches! Yeah....I said it!

[Mojo]

Calling the authorities on someone you witness smoking weed versus witnessing a grown man plugging a 10 year old in the shower are two TOTALLY different things. I for certain, without hesitation, would've done something to stop it and then told the authorities. Point. Blank. Period.

[Mercury]

regardless of your assumption of what you "think" people would have done (which i dont believe...i lived in a neighborhood where people called the cops on your ass if they even THINK something was going wrong in your household regarding kids, happened quite a few times)...breaking the rules and being secretive is breaking the rules and being secretive.

it doesn't matter what you "would've" done. you have to be held responsible for what you "should've" done.

When I was 21...I gave this 18 year old freshman student mad liquor until she got sick and possible alcohol poisoning. And I didnt call the ambulance, alert anybody, anything, because I didn't wanna face getting thrown off campus.

In the event that the situation got worst (got caught, or her being hospitalized), I would've deserved every punishment coming my way...even though the average student would've done the same thing I did because I seen it happen...that doesn't make it right or make for a valid excuse.

[Jeff Sticks]

how do you know the kids are black?

http://gma.yahoo.com/penn-state-scandal-mother-alleged-victim-says-son-082520374.html

This mother that spoke is definitely black

http://www.thegrio.com/sports/are-poor-black-boys-easy-targets-for-sexual-predators.php

[Mojo]

I would've been like this.

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[The Dre Era]

Yea let's not compare tattoos and jerseys to raping 10 year old boys.
smh :rolleyes:
Answer this question then.
WTF is the purpose of having a Athletic Director then

[Qwasian]

smh :rolleyes:
Answer this question then.
WTF is the purpose of having a Athletic Director then

to deal with athletics........... hence the title "ATHLETIC DIRECTOR"

[The Dre Era]

to deal with athletics........... hence the title "ATHLETIC DIRECTOR"
exactly what i thought.

[Mojo]

Sandusky was part of the athletics.

[Mercury]

and was granted full access to facilities even though he retired in 1999, and AFTER his allegations were disclosed.

[Jeff Sticks]

to deal with athletics........... hence the title "ATHLETIC DIRECTOR"

Bahagagagahagsgdgfdhbhfjahaha lol

[Mojo]

I just heard the Sandusky interview. That dude sounds sick. He said he didn't do anything but also said he took showers with the boys. Hello??? Showering with boys is wildly inappropriate.

[Mojo]

Yeah, unfortunately without football I think Paterno will pass shortly after too.

lung cancer.....

[Mojo]

yeah, unfortunately without football i think paterno will pass shortly after too.

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