What up with that T.I. $hit?

[Mr.T]

I hear that he went to his daughter's school to talk to the kids.....the parents hear about it.....go NUTS "He's a Felon!" Blah blah blah....

The Principal goes in like, "I was going to have a former Coke snorter,DUI,alcoholic speak, But Former President Bush was unavailable." The Parents got even more pissed.....like "WTF? we just want to know who's speaking to our children."



Wasn't part of his community service before he went in....didn't he have to speak to kids? Wow.....

[Qwasian]

I can't say that i'd really care to have T.I. as the rolemodel for my kids either......

[Mojo]

Maybe not role model, but since so many kids already look up to him, going to a school to talk about the dangers of thuggy behavior isn't such a bad idea. The only problem is that his music doesn't always reflect that he's over that lifestyle, and children can see right through the contradictions and bs.

[Qwasian]

NONE of his music reflects that.... I feel like it's the ultimate slap in the face, I listen to T.I. think he's a great artist, but to have him swing by & speak to the kids, NAH.......I don't need T.I. as a role model to my kids in any way shape or form, don't give a fuck what he's been thru.... I don't condone him going thru it then changin, I could care less that he changed..... not the message I want to send personally........I don't need him at my childs school, i'm str8 without that.

[Mojo]

NONE of his music reflects that.... I feel like it's the ultimate slap in the face, I listen to T.I. think he's a great artist, but to have him swing by & speak to the kids, NAH.......I don't need T.I. as a role model to my kids in any way shape or form, don't give a fuck what he's been thru.... I don't condone him going thru it then changin, I could care less that he changed..... not the message I want to send personally........I don't need him at my childs school, i'm str8 without that.

Now that you put it that way, I agree. I'm a fan of his music, and I'm routing for him in terms of him getting it together and staying out of jail and the grave, but speaking to a whole group of children is dangerous. Perhaps, he would be more suitable mentoring at-risk youth rather than speaking to a whole school.

Also, the principal was way out of pocket with his comments.

[Mercury]

I'm kinda torn on the issue. For one, I wish people will stop blurring the lines between adult entertainment and whats for kids. Like who listened to "What's Up? What's Happenin'?" and said "let HIM speak to our kindergardeners". At the same time though, kids are crazy, they probably rather listen to Snoop tell them to stay in school then Principal Jenkins.



On the other side though, I disagree with Bill O Reilly and the Nas/VA Tech thing. My brother graduated from Tech. The story was after the shooting, they took a poll to see who they wanted to perform. Nas name came up the most among available entertainers. Then the parents of the students came in and was like naw we don't want him. Fool, it was to uplift the STUDENTS. thats who they wanted! they are over 18 let them make that choice.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

If T.I. has any influence on how your kids behave, its not T.I.'s fault. Either your kid is weak minded or you're a bad parent (or some combination of both)..no need to beat around the bush. I understand that kids are impressionable but if they have the proper upbringing..then they'll know that certain things just won't be tolerated.

Kids are going to come across negative influences in their lives no matter what you do. T.I. talking to your kids about staying in school or something like that should be the LEAST of your concerns.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

And if the parents are that uptight about what their kids are exposed to then their kids shouldn't even be familiar with T.I.

If the kids are familiar with T.I. (meaning they have been exposed to his music in some form), its down right idiotic for the parents to protest this. They've allowed their kids to be exposed to the negative things T.I. has done but won't allow him to speak positively to their kids. :confused:

[The Dre Era]

i agree with Q
none of his music reflects that
and dude only so called changed his lifestyle after he got "caught"

[Qwasian]

nerd, first of all you silly muthafucka, T.I. rotates on the radio 24 hours a day, at daycares, facilities, skating rinks, TV, all across the nation..... so to say kids shouldn't be familiar with it is like saying they should be amish

the whole point is not to pick a several time felon, that spits about shooting the fuck outta people & dealing drugs as recent as his current album........GET IT? DUMB FUCK?

he's great, he makes music, that's wonderful........ speaks to kids? NO THANKS......

as parents that's making the wise choice that you are telling parents to make by having they kids not familiar with T.I. they are keeping people away from T.I. then you trying to peg them as stupid for it.......

your about a simple ass muthafucka..... you like one of them muthafuckaz that talk just to talk.... and don't even know what the fuck your talking about... and often times it deals directly against some shit i'm saying.........

your a fucking clown..........

[Nerd Motivation 101]

nerd, first of all you silly muthafucka, T.I. rotates on the radio 24 hours a day, at daycares, facilities, skating rinks, TV, all across the nation..... so to say kids shouldn't be familiar with it is like saying they should be amish


So you'll let your kids go to a DAYCARE that plays hip hop when the kids are around but you wouldn't want them to hear T.I. tell them to stay in school. Do you know how dumb that sounds? How bout you stop sending them to that daycare or you control what they watch on TV? Don't have to be amish..just a concerned parent.


the whole point is not to pick a several time felon, that spits about shooting the fuck outta people & dealing drugs as recent as his current album........GET IT? DUMB FUCK?


Shouldn't be a problem if he isn't telling the kids to to shoot people or deal drugs..especially if you let them listen to his music where is talking about shooting people or dealing drugs. Again, do you realize how stupid that is?



as parents that's making the wise choice that you are telling parents to make by having they kids not familiar with T.I. they are keeping people away from T.I. then you trying to peg them as stupid for it.......


My point is that if their kids are familiar with T.I.'s music then they should be more concerned about their kids being exposed to that than them being exposed to his positive messages like staying in school and doing your homework.

What planet do you live on where it makes sense for kids to listen to T.I.'s music but not okay for them to listen to him speak positively on staying in school and out of the streets? Its just common sense.

[Mojo]

My point is that if their kids are familiar with T.I.'s music then they should be more concerned about their kids being exposed to that than them being exposed to his positive messages like staying in school and doing your homework.

What planet do you live on where it makes sense for kids to listen to T.I.'s music but not okay for them to listen to him speak positively on staying in school and out of the streets? Its just common sense.

Part of the problem with that situation is that he was speaking to a large group of kids. Many of them may NOT have heard of him or his music, so they get impressed, go home, look him up, youtube his music, and find that he's cussin, hustlin, and gun bussin. Now what?

Also the kids that are familiar with him and his music now see this other side, and they're left to decipher what's real and what isn't. That can be very confusing to many children.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

Part of the problem with that situation is that he was speaking to a large group of kids. Many of them may NOT have heard of him or his music, so they get impressed, go home, look him up, youtube his music, and find that he's cussin, hustlin, and gun bussin. Now what?


That goes back to parenting though. Your kids shouldn't be youtubing anything. If you let your kids have free reign on youtube...they're liable to be exposed to all kinds of things. So if you're concerned with T.I. speaking to your kids, you ought to be concerned with what they do online.


Also the kids that are familiar with him and his music now see this other side, and they're left to decipher what's real and what isn't. That can be very confusing to many children.

I'd rather them be exposed to that sort of duality then just the negative side which is the situation they'd be in if he didn't speak to them.

[Mojo]

That goes back to parenting though. Your kids shouldn't be youtubing anything. If you let your kids have free reign on youtube...they're liable to be exposed to all kinds of things. So if you're concerned with T.I. speaking to your kids, you ought to be concerned with what they do online.

That youtubing could have been done with the assistance of a parent... "Mom, some guy came to our school today and talked to us about staying in school. He's a musician. Can we listen to his songs?" But aside from that, it is nearly impossible to keep your child from hearing that regardless of how good of a parent you are, ESPECIALLY if he's a celeb that came to your school and causes a craze...


I'd rather them be exposed to that sort of duality then just the negative side which is the situation they'd be in if he didn't speak to them.
Even at the result of utter confusion? This dude is leading two lives. It's not like they're exposed to the negative side of TI's music and then they get to hear MC Hammer come in talking positive stuff. It's a conflicting standpoint!

[Nerd Motivation 101]

That youtubing could have been done with the assistance of a parent... "Mom, some guy came to our school today and talked to us about staying in school. He's a musician. Can we listen to his songs?" But aside from that, it is nearly impossible to keep your child from hearing that regardless of how good of a parent you are, ESPECIALLY if he's a celeb that came to your school and causes a craze...


Well, these parents seem pretty well informed. They know enough about him to not want him to speak to their kids. So they should tell their kids "NO". But I agree with the last point sort of. I think you can limit their exposure to certain undesirable things but at what cost? And if they are going to hear his music then this whole thing is kind moot isn't it? Because at the end of the day..its silly to say "My kids are going to hear T.I.'s music with all the talk of drugs, guns, and hoes BUT I'LL BE DAMNED IF I LET HIM LECTURE MY KIDS ON THE IMPORTANCE OF STAYING IN SCHOOL". If I'm going to fight over something, I'm fighting to stop them from hearing his music.


Even at the result of utter confusion? This dude is leading two lives. It's not like they're exposed to the negative side of TI's music and then they get to hear MC Hammer come in talking positive stuff. It's a conflicting standpoint!

Sure. It maybe confusing but I still think its better than the alternative. I see it like this:

A. Your kid doesn't know who T.I. is or (s)he isn't influenced by T.I.

B. Your kid knows who T.I. is and is influenced by him. He's heard the music and he's heard T.I. talking about the consequences of his bad decisions.

C. Your kid knows who T.I. is and is influenced by him. He's only seen T.I. glorify money, cars, hoes, hood life, etc. He's never heard T.I. talk about the consequences of the bad decisions he's made in life or say anything positive at all.

A is obviously the best situation but I'd take B over C.

[Mr.T]

It's a decision to be made by the individual......99.5 % of emcees TODAY would NOT get the parents seal of approval......shit we had D-Nice, KRS, BDK, Masta Ace, and others speak at our school.....and KRS had a song called "9mm Goes Bang" lol there was no lyric analysi or personal history....cats was just geesed that a rap per was coming out to the school........

[Qwasian]

my kids don't go to daycare at all, that was an example of how kids are effected by hiphop music...... not my personal experience..... I don't send them to that daycare and I do control what they watch on tv, just like I would control them from see'n T.I. speak to them at school if that were to occur....... see your trying to spit venom and failing.... lame


I don't let my children listen to T.I. my point was "ALOT" of children do get exposed to T.I. and to compact the situation I wouldn't allow them to attend a speech by him at school


my question to you is, you say a parent shouldn't let they kids listen to T.I. music, or see him on tv etc, then you turn around & say that him at a school shouldn't be a problem, your contradicting yourself.....


all the kids at a school aren't exposed to T.I. you simple muthafucka, what you thought everybody in america listens to rap music? your a closed minded moron, trying to stick up for an artist for no reason, this d00d is a multiple time felon, who associates with felons, drug dealers etc, and pushes that message thru his music on a regular basis and has been doing so for years....... he can't tell my children shit personally...... I listen to his music, not my children, they listen to disney & justin beiber etc.......


I "NEVER" said it was okay for kids to listen to T.I.'s music, I said alot of kids get exposed to his music indirectly.... NO CHILD under age 18 should be listening to T.I.'s music or promoted to by T.I. in my opinion...... however they market to children and young people mostly, and I personally don't agree with it. never have but that's the way the world turns......

I NEVER OK'D ONE THING & NOT THE OTHER, I DISGREE WITH BOTH, all across the board...... T.I. is not for children in any way shape or form...... PERIOD

and the main problem I have is, your acting like everybody knows T.I. as a generalization, artists use this shit as cross promotion and do charity events for promo etc, this is in they business plan, he's working the system by doing that silly shit. T.I. going to a school doesn't help anybody but T.I. in my opinion. he is not a positive message and never has been.

[Qwasian]

you have gotta be the dumbest muthafucka I ever seen, your on this bitch talking about how good a job the parents should be doing, well they are simple muthafucka, they are standing up and saying they don't want him at the school..... just like they stand up and don't want him in the home on music, youtube etc......

your constantly saying that people should keep they kids away on youtube, music, videos, but it's ok for him to come to they school? FALSE REPORT

Im guessing you don't have kids..... because if you did, you would know that it's pretty much impossible to block them from every youtube video & peice of music.

I guess they shouldn't go ice skating, or roller skating anymore? I guess they shouldn't turn the radio on? or watch tv..........

to screen radio/tv/dj's is impossible... to say the least.........

the artists are marketing to these kids not giving a fuck....... but to me when you take it into they education/school that's an problem...... atleast if your going to be a jackass, do it on the street level don't bring it into childrens everyday lives.


I've seen his speeches, and they are pretty rediculous.....

"Hey I did the wrong thing, I got caught by the feds with illegal machine guns, don't do that when you grow up"

i'ono about you? but my kids aren't on the level to where they will be buying or even thinking about illegal machine guns. so I don't see how that's going to help them, and my kids are already staying in school and on honor roll.........

maybe if he was speaking to troubled youth, that's different, but just everyday regular kids don't even fucking have these type of problems.......talk to them about purchasing machine guns and they gonna look at your ass like your crazy. I have kids, I know..... if I walked in there and said, "hey guys you know it's very serious and you should never purchase illegal machine guns and you should always do the right thing"....... they would look at me like I was fucking crazy

[anti]

lol, if TI is still selling albums that have themes of violence and gang warfare, then he doesnt need to be speaking in schools - especially public ones. Its really that simple. "Staying in school, doing your homework" is pretty much a generic message that anyone can deliver to a young, impressionable audience, and *IM SURE* there are some local, positive influencers in the community that can deliver that besides TI (thinking local business owners, community organizers, young leaders/politicians). That way the kids hear something good, it promotes local civic engagement and parents dont have to worry about the intellectual consternation and hypocrisy that comes with "TI" coming to their child's school.

Principals nowadays are as young as 29 years old. I'm thinking he grew up listening to hip-hop and thought he was doing something "innovative" and "emergent". However it brought more publicity than anything and kept TI's names in peoples mouths. WIN for him, FAIL for kids.

[Mercury]

How come they always use rappers that drop out for back to school speeches? They iced out with no diploma and kids are supposed to be encouraged to stay in? LOL. Jay-z always talks to schools but he dropped out. Nas always talks to school but he aint make it past 7th grade! I remember one time eminem won an award for doing something w/ schools and he aint finish either lol.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

my kids don't go to daycare at all, that was an example of how kids are effected by hiphop music...... not my personal experience..... I don't send them to that daycare and I do control what they watch on tv, just like I would control them from see'n T.I. speak to them at school if that were to occur....... see your trying to spit venom and failing.... lame


I wasn't talking about your kids. Your reasons why a kid might be exposed to T.I.' s music were pretty lame. "Oh, they might be exposed to his music at day care". Thats pretty silly in and of itself. A parent is going to go out of their way to stop T.I. from talking to their kids in school but allow them to listen to T.I. at daycare? Or watch T.I. on TV?



my question to you is, you say a parent shouldn't let they kids listen to T.I. music, or see him on tv etc, then you turn around & say that him at a school shouldn't be a problem, your contradicting yourself.....


No, its not a contradiction because his music is negative. He's not going to perform for the kids. He's going to tell them to stay in school and make the right decisions. What bad things do you think are going to happen to the kids after listening to that message? They are going to go out and become drug dealers? Tell me exactly what the negative consequences are? This is reactionary parenting simple and plain.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

lol, if TI is still selling albums that have themes of violence and gang warfare, then he doesnt need to be speaking in schools - especially public ones. Its really that simple. "Staying in school, doing your homework" is pretty much a generic message that anyone can deliver to a young, impressionable audience, and *IM SURE* there are some local, positive influencers in the community that can deliver that besides TI (thinking local business owners, community organizers, young leaders/politicians). That way the kids hear something good, it promotes local civic engagement and parents dont have to worry about the intellectual consternation and hypocrisy that comes with "TI" coming to their child's school.


Who do you think a middle school aged kid is more likely to listen to? "Local, positive influencer" or T.I.? Every school already has "Local, positive influencers" come to speak.

But other than seeing that T.I. is a felon and just being reactionary..whats the real negative down side to him talking to kids about staying in school?

[Jeff Sticks]

He need to just stick to coming to predominently black and Latino schools, white folks ain't going for that ish. Being in the counseling field, people that been thru it are the best to speak on it and to ti's credit, his last album did have a redemption type theme to it. It's a tuff call for the school administration, I respect the principal for sticking to his guns.

[Qwasian]

I wasn't talking about your kids. Your reasons why a kid might be exposed to T.I.' s music were pretty lame. "Oh, they might be exposed to his music at day care". Thats pretty silly in and of itself. A parent is going to go out of their way to stop T.I. from talking to their kids in school but allow them to listen to T.I. at daycare? Or watch T.I. on TV?




No, its not a contradiction because his music is negative. He's not going to perform for the kids. He's going to tell them to stay in school and make the right decisions. What bad things do you think are going to happen to the kids after listening to that message? They are going to go out and become drug dealers? Tell me exactly what the negative consequences are? This is reactionary parenting simple and plain.



it's not that T.I.'s music is encouraged or allowed, it's that it's so widespread that it occurs....... not on purpose, parents don't condone it....... I know personally they was playing T.I. at a daycare I was at the other day and I was like WTF Man?


yes, he glorify's drug dealing, being tough & cutting corners....... I absolutely do think people see T.I. & want to be like him..... you obviously don't have kids homey.......

people that do will tell you, the kids hear songs they aren't supposed to, it just happens in everyday life when artists are that popular..... even when parents tell the kids that it's not whats up......parents are there to guide kids not create a concentration camp

[Nerd Motivation 101]

He need to just stick to coming to predominently black and Latino schools, white folks ain't going for that ish. Being in the counseling field, people that been thru it are the best to speak on it and to ti's credit, his last album did have a redemption type theme to it. It's a tuff call for the school administration, I respect the principal for sticking to his guns.

I agree. Its definitely has more impact when coming from someone who has experienced it. You bring in a upstanding guy, who never been through it..a guy that the kids have never heard of and he might as well be talking to the wall. The kids that are on the up and up don't need to hear it and the kids that are having problems probably aren't listening.

But bring T.I. in the room. He'll have every kid's attention guaranteed.

[Qwasian]

why is it that you think all these children are doomed to go thru a fucked up situation like T.I.'s? most children aren't even on this type of course? how often does his situation even occur? honestly?

hiphop music has warped your fucking mind

I have actually noticed a new maturity going on and it seems like people are ginuwinely moving in a positive direction

it's not 1988 str8 outta compton

[Nerd Motivation 101]

why is it that you think all these children are doomed to go thru a fucked up situation like T.I.'s? most children aren't even on this type of course? how often does his situation even occur? honestly?

hiphop music has warped your fucking mind

I have actually noticed a new maturity going on and it seems like people are ginuwinely moving in a positive direction

it's not 1988 str8 outta compton

I didn't say all the kids are doomed.


The kids that are on the up and up don't need to hear it and the kids that are having problems probably aren't listening.


I clearly acknowledged that there are kids that are not at risk. For those kids, T.I. talking to the school isn't going to corrupt them. I seriously doubt you'll see any criminal 10 years from now saying "I was a good kid. Made straight As, never got in trouble, listened to my parents. I was on the path to success but THEN T.I. came to my school to tell me to not get involved in gang activity or drugs. And thats when I started to get involved in gang activity and drugs".

It just doesn't follow.

For the kids at risk, it might help them see that there are alternatives. It could actually help them.

[Qwasian]

the whole point is, it's better people for the job then T.I.

"IF" his character means anything to the kids then they are already looking up to him acting negatively....... they do that first before any of the school shit.........

as a kid, you do not typically take people words, you look at they actions......

when I was looking up to ice cube back in the day I didn't look at him for making positive moves, and I still to this day don't..... even though he is succesful.......

I looked at the excitement of him dressing/acting/living a certain way. as did everybody else......

nobody looks at T.I. and says, hey I really wanna go into business....... the music industry isn't even a good fucking business to be in like it used to be and millions of kids already want to do music off top, I don't need a rapper coming into a school & telling them about the situation, fuck T.I.'s situation.........that shit don't help kids in no way shape or form......

your mind is fucking warped if you can justify that shit in any way shape or form, you most likely do not have kids and are a certified fucking moron......

help kids see that there are alternatives........ that's the biggest fucking joke in the world, education helps kids see alternatives, not some asshole coming thru that shoots up everything, slings drugs and has rubberband stacks

and I listen to T.I., have listened to him since day 1.... like alot of his music, own all his cds.... but he is definately not going to be who I pick to guide my children.... I don't give a fuck if I had a troubled kid, I still wouldn't pick him, that shit is for idiots........

maybe you should fall back and see how record labels etc exploit children/charitable situations to further they rap career as a marketing plan..... if you understood the game and seen what T.I. is doing for what it actually is then you'd understand better I guess.......

he's doing this to keep his ass out of trouble, and okey doke it along all while using it as a promotional tool for himself........

highschool kids control the music market, so he targeted middle school kids for his future albums/music/etc

you can argue & support the artist all you like, you can talk till you blue in the face...... bottom line it's not the correct choice.....

if he wanna make a difference donate some fucking money to the school & it's programs & keep it moving...... but they never do that, they always want to make a live appearance, I wonder why?

[Nerd Motivation 101]

"IF" his character means anything to the kids then they are already looking up to him acting negatively....... they do that first before any of the school shit.........

as a kid, you do not typically take people words, you look at they actions......


Maybe it won't help. But its not going to hurt them. They won't be any worse off after he came to speak to them than before. Thats my point.


nobody looks at T.I. and says, hey I really wanna go into business....... the music industry isn't even a good fucking business to be in like it used to be and millions of kids already want to do music off top, I don't need a rapper coming into a school & telling them about the situation, fuck T.I.'s situation.........that shit don't help kids in no way shape or form......


He's not telling them to pursue careers in music. He's telling them to stay in school, get an education, and stay out of trouble.


help kids see that there are alternatives........ that's the biggest fucking joke in the world, education helps kids see alternatives, not some asshole coming thru that shoots up everything, slings drugs and has rubberband stacks


And he's telling them to stay in school and get that education.


and I listen to T.I., have listened to him since day 1.... like alot of his music, own all his cds.... but he is definately not going to be who I pick to guide my children.... I don't give a fuck if I had a troubled kid, I still wouldn't pick him, that shit is for idiots........


Its not like he's their mentor and they are hanging around him. He's coming to the school to give them advice. They'll see him one time. Thats hardly "guiding" them. If he actually is guiding them through his music then thats a parenting issue.

Again, what do you think is going to happen to these kids? How is T.I. coming to the school going to make things worse? Maybe it won't help any kids..thats a possibility. But it might. It not going to hurt any kids though..thats for sure.

[Qwasian]

who says they won't be worse? that's like saying a guy with an uzi could walk thru the school, the kids won't be any worse from him doing it, but it's not a good idea, stupid fuck........

how can T.I. tell kids to do any of that? when he did "NONE" of it? the fuck would he even know about it? how is he qualified to tell kids that?

im not getting why you consider him to be qualified to give this speech? he hasn't done anything positive to serve as a role model for the kids, that's my whole point, I don't give a fuck what he does new, or from here on out, he just ain't the guy he's not qualified to help why is he picked?

I don't really think "ANYTHING" is going to happen to the kids.... I think he's not the right person for the job, why do it? it's not going to be a positive factor in my opinion, and even if his speech helped some kid at a school, his music has damaged far more kids... which might be the parents fault, but it still occurs.

my whole point is, you can blame parents etc, for social injustice, kids going the wrong way, or whatever, that still don't make what T.I. is doing the correct or "GOOD" choice......he's not the best candidate for the job........

I mean shit? he bought machine guns so does that mean we should make him a general in the army?

muthafuckaz is stuck on stupid....... get with the program of life simple muthafucka

[Nerd Motivation 101]

who says they won't be worse? that's like saying a guy with an uzi could walk thru the school, the kids won't be any worse from him doing it, but it's not a good idea, stupid fuck........

how can T.I. tell kids to do any of that? when he did "NONE" of it? the fuck would he even know about it? how is he qualified to tell kids that?

im not getting why you consider him to be qualified to give this speech? he hasn't done anything positive to serve as a role model for the kids, that's my whole point, I don't give a fuck what he does new, or from here on out, he just ain't the guy he's not qualified to help why is he picked?

I don't really think "ANYTHING" is going to happen to the kids.... I think he's not the right person for the job, why do it? it's not going to be a positive factor in my opinion, and even if his speech helped some kid at a school, his music has damaged far more kids... which might be the parents fault, but it still occurs.

my whole point is, you can blame parents etc, for social injustice, kids going the wrong way, or whatever, that still don't make what T.I. is doing the correct or "GOOD" choice......he's not the best candidate for the job........

I mean shit? he bought machine guns so does that mean we should make him a general in the army?

muthafuckaz is stuck on stupid....... get with the program of life simple muthafucka

Good advice is good advice. Doesn't matter who it comes from. You don't need qualifications to give it. If your dad never went to college, does that mean he can't tell you to go? Thats fucking silly. And you'd have to be a silly minded person to even think that.

What you're saying is nonsense.

[Qwasian]

I don't personally take advice who aren't practicing it, it doesn't have the same positive effect..........

him not doing what he's talking about makes it fake to me, and makes him not qualified to talk about it.........

people kissing his ass just because he's T.I. and has a little paper to throw around, but the reality is, he's no role model and nobody for kids to look up to......

why in the fuck would I have someone come talk if I didn't want the kids to follow they model as a person or look up to them? that shit is nonsense.........

everybody knows your a moron the board is just dead so nobody's really speakin on it, i'm done at this point, you fail at life........ thanks.

sign up snoop dogg as ya childs teacher, t.i. as the role model, and allen iverson as they gym teacher, have a great day

[Nerd Motivation 101]

Speaking at a school doesn't make him a role model. He's not coming to say "hey kids look up to me". He's actually saying the opposite. He's telling them to not make the same mistakes he did. He's telling them NOT to look up at him and to learn from his mistakes. If he's your child's role model, it's not his fault or the school's fault. Its your fault.

Funny you mention Snoop. He's a football coach for his sons football teams. He probably has much more influence on those kids than T.I. coming to a school one time to talk to some kids about staying in school.

[Qwasian]

he's not my childs role model, and I doubt if my child ever would make those mistakes so I don't need him to talk about it to them..... thanks have a nice fucking day....... clown, T.I. isn't any childs role model and that's the whole point...

I don't agree with snoop doing it either.......

I don't agree with anybody that makes the wrong decisions preaching to the children.

and another main point i'd like to make, T.I. will turn right around after speaking to all these children and make negative aspects in his music, just like snoop will.. and market the shit to children but that's supposed to be cool I guess.

how do you not understand that it's a negative? any way you look at it, that shit don't help NOBODY......

not saying it's a negative.... but it damn sure ain't a postive either..... why do it? for what?

[Nerd Motivation 101]

If its not negative whats the point of protesting it? Even if you think it won't help anyone. If it doesn't hurt anyone then whats the problem? Thats my point. Maybe the parents want to know who is coming to speak to their kids ahead of time. Thats fair. And if they are upset over principle then that may be valid.

But the idea that T.I. talking to school kids about staying in school is going to have some sort of negative impact on their development is just stupid and its impulse parenting. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Qwasian]

nobody said it was negative, although I do believe it is..........

but it's not positive either...... so why bother doing it at all?

if the situation is neutral why do it?

[Nerd Motivation 101]

nobody said it was negative, although I do believe it is..........

but it's not positive either...... so why bother doing it at all?

if the situation is neutral why do it?

It could be positive. And even if in the end, it doesn't help anyone..that alone doesn't mean that people shouldn't try different ways of reaching students. There are no scientific studies saying it won't help so why not?

In this situation, its already been done. T.I. already came and talked to the students.

If its not negative and its already been done then why protest it after the fact? If its based on the principle that they (the parents) should be told beforehand..thats fine. But that one guy seems upset that it was T.I. in particular and that doesn't follow. Its just an impulsive reaction.

[Qwasian]

but you said it was the parents responsibility right? see how you contradict yourself? one one hand you saying it's all on the parents then you flip it back & say they should try different ways to reach the students...... why? it's not they responsibility or the communities right?

your playing yourself.......

[Jeff Sticks]

K, I think if you coming at it from the perspective of a kid in school that's a fan of hip hop and q coming from the perspective of a parent. I see what both y'all saying, it a dicey decision, but it was at his daughters school. The fact that he was punished for his crime should hold some merit too.

[Mojo]

There are much better examples/figures that could be used than TI...period. If you want somebody that has been through something to come and speak to the school because they'll be able to relate like Jeff said...fine. However, that person needs to be someone that has turned their life around and doesn't have any remnants of that past life. Don't come to my school, talking to my kids about making right decisions when everything you represent in public stands for you making bad decisions.

[Qwasian]

There are much better examples/figures that could be used than TI...period. If you want somebody that has been through something to come and speak to the school because they'll be able to relate like Jeff said...fine. However, that person needs to be someone that has turned their life around and doesn't have any remnants of that past life. Don't come to my school, talking to my kids about making right decisions when everything you represent in public stands for you making bad decisions.

or how about just not having recently did jail time THIS YEAR, and having songs currently on the radio dealing drugs, pimping women, shooting people etc......

[Mojo]

lol..Fresh out the pen

[Nerd Motivation 101]

but you said it was the parents responsibility right? see how you contradict yourself? one one hand you saying it's all on the parents then you flip it back & say they should try different ways to reach the students...... why? it's not they responsibility or the communities right?

your playing yourself.......

I said that if T.I. is a role model or influences a child's behavior in a negative way then its his parents fault.

The kids that need outreach obviously don't have that parental influence. And yes, its their parents fault. But I NEVER said that schools don't have the responsibility to try to reach kids when their parents won't or can't. You must have me mistaken for a Republican.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

There are much better examples/figures that could be used than TI...period. If you want somebody that has been through something to come and speak to the school because they'll be able to relate like Jeff said...fine. However, that person needs to be someone that has turned their life around and doesn't have any remnants of that past life. Don't come to my school, talking to my kids about making right decisions when everything you represent in public stands for you making bad decisions.

So a crackhead can't tell someone not to do crack?

A sinner can't tell someone that they should follow Jesus?

An alcoholic can't tell his kids not to drink?

If you have to be perfect to part wisdom on kids than 99% of people shouldn't be allowed to give their own kids advice. Hell, we've seen Q post pictures of guns...can he tell his kids not to carry weapons? Can he tell his kids not to be an asshole on the internet?

[Qwasian]

I said that if T.I. is a role model or influences a child's behavior in a negative way then its his parents fault.

The kids that need outreach obviously don't have that parental influence. And yes, its their parents fault. But I NEVER said that schools don't have the responsibility to try to reach kids when their parents won't or can't. You must have me mistaken for a Republican.

the school is placing him in a role models place, that's the whole fucking problem dumb ass.... when he walks into a school and speaks that's what a role model is, someone who comes & speaks to children to uplift them to make the correct moves.
the crazy shit is, who is to say school children even need outreach? or new ways to be reached? not all school children are miserable failures, infact most of them actually do very well and become productive members of society..... who the fuck needs T.I. in a school? how many children out of that class/school are even going to deal with his situation? or something that he can help them thru?

schools trying to reach what kids? regular school children are not in trouble, they don't need to be reached by gun yeilding felons.....

if it was a troubled set of children or select class that's one thing, however it was not..... how many trouble makers are in a class? 5 at the very most out of 30?

my point is, the troubled youth are not the majority, so if you wanna set the troubled youth aside & have T.I. speak with em cool.... but the rest do not need it, they don't need to be reached in a new way..... NO THANKS

[Qwasian]

So a crackhead can't tell someone not to do crack?

A sinner can't tell someone that they should follow Jesus?

An alcoholic can't tell his kids not to drink?

If you have to be perfect to part wisdom on kids than 99% of people shouldn't be allowed to give their own kids advice. Hell, we've seen Q post pictures of guns...can he tell his kids not to carry weapons? Can he tell his kids not to be an asshole on the internet?

sure a crackhead or a sinner can speak to people...... but they shouldn't be the #1 contestant... that's the whole fucking point moron.......

nobody said you had to be perfect, to give advice, but you also shouldn't be the complete opposite of the spectrum either...... carrying weapons is not a crime.... carrying them illegally or purchasing them illegally is a crime....being an asshole on the internet don't get you fed time...... simple muthafucka, infact it does absolutely nothing..... no harm no foul......

[Nerd Motivation 101]

sure a crackhead or a sinner can speak to people...... but they shouldn't be the #1 contestant... that's the whole fucking point moron.......

nobody said you had to be perfect, to give advice, but you also shouldn't be the complete opposite of the spectrum either...... carrying weapons is not a crime.... carrying them illegally or purchasing them illegally is a crime....being an asshole on the internet don't get you fed time...... simple muthafucka, infact it does absolutely nothing..... no harm no foul......

Who said T.I. is the #1 contestant? Who said they can't invite other people to speak to the kids as well. It wasn't like they picked T.I. over someone else.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

the school is placing him in a role models place, that's the whole fucking problem dumb ass.... when he walks into a school and speaks that's what a role model is, someone who comes & speaks to children to uplift them to make the correct moves.
the crazy shit is, who is to say school children even need outreach? or new ways to be reached? not all school children are miserable failures, infact most of them actually do very well and become productive members of society..... who the fuck needs T.I. in a school? how many children out of that class/school are even going to deal with his situation? or something that he can help them thru?

schools trying to reach what kids? regular school children are not in trouble, they don't need to be reached by gun yeilding felons.....

if it was a troubled set of children or select class that's one thing, however it was not..... how many trouble makers are in a class? 5 at the very most out of 30?

my point is, the troubled youth are not the majority, so if you wanna set the troubled youth aside & have T.I. speak with em cool.... but the rest do not need it, they don't need to be reached in a new way..... NO THANKS

I wasn't at high risk for doing drugs and have never touched any drug in my life but I still had to participate in D.A.R.E.. Doing things like that are apart of every kid's education whether they are at risk or not.

For the kids that don't need it, it reinforces what they already know. Or it has no affect on them whatsoever. Either way, it can't hurt them. And so whats the problem?

[The Dre Era]

I be more comfortable with Michael Vick coming to speak at my child's school rather then TI because Vick is a changed man and as of now wont resort back to what he was convicted of.
TI is basically still rapping about what he did time for glorifying it.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

I be more comfortable with Michael Vick coming to speak at my child's school rather then TI because Vick is a changed man and as of now wont resort back to what he was convicted of.
TI is basically still rapping about what he did time for glorifying it.

Why does the hypocrisy matter? How does it affect the children in any way?

[The Dre Era]

Why does the hypocrisy matter? How does it affect the children in any way?
it matters a lot because children unfortunately look up to them and they are role models whether they want to be or not.

[Qwasian]

Who said T.I. is the #1 contestant? Who said they can't invite other people to speak to the kids as well. It wasn't like they picked T.I. over someone else.

he becomes the #1 contestant when he shows up..... he got the job

[Qwasian]

I wasn't at high risk for doing drugs and have never touched any drug in my life but I still had to participate in D.A.R.E.. Doing things like that are apart of every kid's education whether they are at risk or not.

For the kids that don't need it, it reinforces what they already know. Or it has no affect on them whatsoever. Either way, it can't hurt them. And so whats the problem?

I don't remember a 7 time felon gang member showing up to the dare program

[Qwasian]

Why does the hypocrisy matter? How does it affect the children in any way?

children are extremely impressionable, it's sad that you don't know or understand that..........children seek out these forms of entertainment.....out of curiousity and find excitement in it as it's glorified.........

[Nerd Motivation 101]

children are extremely impressionable, it's sad that you don't know or understand that..........children seek out these forms of entertainment.....out of curiousity and find excitement in it as it's glorified.........

I understand that kids are impressionable but if they have the proper upbringing..then they'll know that certain things just won't be tolerated.



Its sad that you don't read or don't understand what you read. I've addressed this already.

This still comes down to parenting. If their kids are seeking out his music then they need to stop them.

But according to you, they are going to hear his music anyway. So who cares if they seek it out. They've likely already heard it.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

I don't remember a 7 time felon gang member showing up to the dare program

That wasn't the point.

You ask why kids who aren't problem causers or trouble makers subjected to these sorts of "stay in school" talks. Well, all kids are subjected to these kinds of things even if they are the idea child.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

he becomes the #1 contestant when he shows up..... he got the job

What job? He did a speaking engagement. It probably wasn't the first time that the kids have had someone come in to speak with them and most likely won't be the last.

[Qwasian]

if you can't figure out why T.I. is not a good choice, your a str8 fucking dumb ass....

since you lack common knowledge, how about it might conflict with his jail sentence, he might be locked up that day........

T.I. isn't helping anybody out...... he's not guiding any children the right way with his words......

he has done more harm than good in his lifetime regaurdless of what you want to think or say....... or who's fault it is..... he has effected way more negative than positive...... and that's the reason why he's not fit to be the speaker....

school has serious rules to it..... based on religion, government etc..... the rule has clearly been broken...

[Nerd Motivation 101]

it matters a lot because children unfortunately look up to them and they are role models whether they want to be or not.

If kids ALREADY look up to T.I. then that means that the kids are ALREADY hearing the negative themes in his music. So if thats the case, then have a counterbalance and hearing him say something positive would be a good thing.

The bad thing isn't him talking to the kids about staying in school. The bad thing is that they look up to him and are familiar with his music. Him coming to the school to speak to them doesn't make that situation any worse but it could improve it.

[Qwasian]

yeah, of course it's always great to compound a negative situation, because if they look up to him for his music, they are sure to go the correct way and stop listening to his music immediately........ get the fuck outta here w/ that bullshit

they don't even allow christianity at schools homey....... T.I. is supposed to be more important than god/jesus?

[Nerd Motivation 101]

if you can't figure out why T.I. is not a good choice, your a str8 fucking dumb ass....

since you lack common knowledge, how about it might conflict with his jail sentence, he might be locked up that day........

T.I. isn't helping anybody out...... he's not guiding any children the right way with his words......

he has done more harm than good in his lifetime regaurdless of what you want to think or say....... or who's fault it is..... he has effected way more negative than positive...... and that's the reason why he's not fit to be the speaker....

school has serious rules to it..... based on religion, government etc..... the rule has clearly been broken...

Never said he ever did more good than harm. But just because he's done harm doesn't mean he can't do good as well. It doesn't mean that everything he does is automatically bad. And this isn't bad no matter how you slice it.

You can't argue this rationally. You're using impulse and emotion not logic thought. And the fact that you hurl insults come from the frustration of not being able attack it logically.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

yeah, of course it's always great to compound a negative situation, because if they look up to him for his music, they are sure to go the correct way and stop listening to his music immediately........ get the fuck outta here w/ that bullshit


He's not trying to stop them from listening to his music. And thats not the goal. Listening to his music in and of itself isn't bad. Whats bad is if they are influenced by it and if their actions change because of it. I know you were still white when you were 12 and probably listened to country music. But some of us listened to rap in middle school, and we turned out okay because we had strong foundations instilled in us from our parents.

What he's trying to do is stop the kids who don't have that foundation from making bad decisions..showing them that there will be consequences for what they do.


they don't even allow christianity at schools homey....... T.I. is supposed to be more important than god/jesus?


They don't allow Christianity in schools because of the first amendment of the Constitution. It has nothing to do with the importance of Jesus.

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

Never said he ever did more good than harm. But just because he's done harm doesn't mean he can't do good as well. It doesn't mean that everything he does is automatically bad. And this isn't bad no matter how you slice it.

You can't argue this rationally. You're using impulse and emotion not logic thought. And the fact that you hurl insults come from the frustration of not being able attack it logically.

I pmb salute this post...I dont care who speaks to my children. As long as I'm doing a good job as a parent, I'm not worried who comes to his/her school. A Stanford graduate or former felon.

I understand that some may have fucked up parents and they may look up to TI instead...if so, fuck it...he was there to tell the kids to not make the same mistakes he made...I don't see anything wrong with that.

There are countless people who have fucked up and are on a mission to make sure people dont make the same mistakes they made...teenage moms, STD carriers, drunk drivers etc...

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

He's not trying to stop them from listening to his music. And thats not the goal. Listening to his music in and of itself isn't bad. Whats bad is if they are influenced by it and if their actions change because of it. I know you were still white when you were 12 and probably listened to country music. But some of us listened to rap in middle school, and we turned out okay because we had strong foundations instilled in us from our parents.

What he's trying to do is stop the kids who don't have that foundation from making bad decisions..showing them that there will be consequences for what they do.



They don't allow Christianity in schools because of the first amendment of the Constitution. It has nothing to do with the importance of Jesus.

I was going to say this....the rap albums I listened to from 90-95...omg...lol

I knew that if I even attempted to do any of the shit NWA, Dr Dre, Geto boys talked about...I was dead....I was more scared of my parents then the police...seriously..lol

[Qwasian]

my whole thing is, T.I. is not a changed person, he has done the same negative shit over & over & over in his life for 99% of his life, so now I'm supposed to think he's cool because he's fresh out of jail & supposed to be a changed man? even though he still has brand new songs conflicting that theory?

my opinion is, if you did too many things in your life negative, I don't need you trying to tell me or my children how to do a positive, I don't give a fuck if it effects anyone negative, or positive. PERIOD..... you are not the person i'm going to select.

people claim it's on the parents, it's no big deal etc, but in reality it is, millions of children are effected by rap music everyday, including people.......

why do you think kids wear the brands? grow up & drink the liquor? drive the cars? act a certain way?

how did the whole skinny jeans movement begin if nobody listened to music?

people act like music isn't impressionable to kids, but it is, str8 up.... reguardless if it's the parents job or not, fuck all that, that's a crutch to lay the blame.........

when you have a problem you don't just throw in a crutch and blame some shit & keep going.......

if gas was $10 a gallon, you don't just build better gas mileage cars & keep it moving, you come up with a way to lower the gas amount until you can get to building the cars better....

you do the best you can in all ways, not just one way, T.I. is not positively effecting any kids....... and you know one sure fire way you can tell that..... you ever seen the show he did? where he mentored kids etc? one ended up shot, one went back to hustlin, they all remained in trouble, little to none of them did anything positive...... this is a multi-millionaire and he bought a gang member some fucking cooking pots & spoons on a show now he's a saint...... that shit is one big ass front..... T.I. does way more negative than positive, that's easy to see.
in his career, i'm not sure I ever heard a positive uplifting song to youth ever.

CHOOSE SOMEBODY ELSE, FUCK T.I.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

I pmb salute this post...I dont care who speaks to my children. As long as I'm doing a good job as a parent, I'm not worried who comes to his/her school. A Stanford graduate or former felon.

I understand that some may have fucked up parents and they may look up to TI instead...if so, fuck it...he was there to tell the kids to not make the same mistakes he made...I don't see anything wrong with that.

There are countless people who have fucked up and are on a mission to make sure people dont make the same mistakes they made...teenage moms, STD carriers, drunk drivers etc...

Yep. At the end of the day, it all comes down to parenting.

I think parenting has been on the decline for a few decades. Shit, if my kid came home and said "T.I. came to school today and talked to us about the importance of staying in school." I'd take that as an opportunity to parent. Figure out what he learned. Reiterate the key points. Let him know if he try any of that shit T.I. did, he is going to straight to jail and I won't be there to post bail.

[Qwasian]

yeah that makes alot of sense, you have to correct your child as soon as he comes home from the T.I. speech........

if the parenting is strong, then he don't need to be there.........

and if the parenting is weak, he has already influenced the kids way more negative than a positive thru his music

either way it's a fail....... it doesn't help "ANYBODY"

it's always great to bring criminals in with the kids for no apparent reason at all other than he recently fucked up and now needs to live up to his community service requirements....... excellent plan

my kids do extremely well and have strong parenting and i'm still not sending them to any program T.I. is apart of...... as a parent i'll choose someone else if I wanted someone to speak to them.

his speech helps absolutely NO ONE but himself..... I don't see how people can be so stupid to not understand that fact..... it's even in his business model at the record label to use these opportunities to promote.

your saying "oh well the parents fucked up, let T.I. get em"

if anything they would need a stronger professional to help them on the correct path..... they relate to the wrong people and take the wrong path, so we gonna send another dope dealer w/ guns into them to steer em str8? doesn't sound like a plan to me

[king]

I ain't read the whole thread butI'd say its not really a big deal one I bet T.I can get through to some of these kids better than their parents can sadly. Like K said he isn't going to schools doing a concert or something but delivering a positive message.

And also whats wrong with bringing somebody in who didn't do things the right way and saying go to school so you don't end up going down the road I went down?

[goliath]

If T.I. has any influence on how your kids behave, its not T.I.'s fault. Either your kid is weak minded or you're a bad parent (or some combination of both)..no need to beat around the bush. I understand that kids are impressionable but if they have the proper upbringing..then they'll know that certain things just won't be tolerated.

Kids are going to come across negative influences in their lives no matter what you do. T.I. talking to your kids about staying in school or something like that should be the LEAST of your concerns.

cosign....

[anti]

Jesus fucking christ, it seems like Q is arguing one the key tenants of Anti-thug.com's mission from 2002, while K is supporting the "the buck stops w/ the parent" position that keeps folks from appreciating the macro power of mass/direct media influence. My how times have changed. Carry on fellas.

[Mercury]

I don't see why they had TI talking about staying in school but I do support Snoop coaching football. He puts money behind it and takes those kids to places they might not ordinarily be able to go. As a parent I would definitely be weary and watchful based on his image, but to be honest, he seems sincere about it.

For anybody that played Little League sports, the screening process for coaches is non existent anyways LOL. I had drunken rednecks that spit tobacco for baseball coaches and had a thug coach or 2 for basketball

[Qwasian]

in my opinion if you choose an adult negative lifestyle of pimpin ho's, smokin weed, shootin people outta chevy's etc.... that's cool, that's what you wanna do, you have every right to do what you want to do, but leave the kids out of it. that's just how I feel about it, if you want to contribute money, donate whatever that's cool, but these kats images haven't changed, they still famous for the negative aspects. it's just a poor choice, just like the tobacco spittin rednecks are also a poor choice. with football you often times might not have a team if people dont come thru & coach so to me somebody is better than nobody, but at school you don't have to interject moron's on purpose into the kids everyday routine. not that it's some big ass deal or that i'd be going down to the school to protest it, it's just a bad choice. if T.I. can reach kids better than the parents, that's sad, and I don't feel like him reaching them is going to help them, hence his show where he tried & helped NOBODY.......

ya'll don't remember the show? PEE WEE? arm shot the fuck up & right back at dealing drugs etc to take care of his family? alot of times bad situations aren't a choice to begin with, people do dumb shit cuz they from low income trying to get to higher income. not cuz they wanna be cool, but if I look at T.I. life I don't see anything positive to go by..... he cheated the system & won.

[SoulstarShawn]

T.I. Speaking to kids is some bullshit. How he gonna talk to kids about staying in school when he didn't instead he sold drugs shot up shit repeatedly went to jail caused a lot of trouble rapped and became a fucking multimillionaire. Come on man be real. This publicity stunt shit.

[Smoka]

I was going to say this....the rap albums I listened to from 90-95...omg...lol

I knew that if I even attempted to do any of the shit NWA, Dr Dre, Geto boys talked about...I was dead....I was more scared of my parents then the police...seriously..lolExactly!!!!...When I was in middle school..We took a trip to the juvenile detention center!! We saw former class mates and kids younger than us LIVING IN THE SYSTEM!! They had a juvenile ambassador speak to us and he was our age telling us how things were on the inside..I thought that was an easy way to remind kids that their will be consequences and repercussions for the decisions you make in your life.. I dont think it was a bad idea to have him(Tip) come in and speak..I think its even worse when the parents feel as if T.I. is their childs' role model..and not themselves

[SyncereOne]

http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2009/01/Pootie%20Tang%20T.jpg

tippy tow.

[Qwasian]

obviously we don't have many people here who were actually troubled youth's.......
people around my way was in the juvenile detention centers and shootin at cars while listening to nwa.......so I can see why you wouldn't understand, lol @ being more scarred of parents than police......

I was on probation from the time I was 12 years old until I was 18. and I had both parents, that was there everyday and worked as well.......

[Mercury]

is there a rapper or an athlete that would have been cool to bring? Or should we stay away from bringing celebrities to the children period?

This is just to get responses and opinions, but how do yall feel when Master P had a similiar show? One side is that you can see where he made an effort to put forth a more positive image moreso than T.I. But the other side makes you say "well, if he didn't make ignorant gangsta music in the first place he wouldn't even made the riches he needed to feel comfortable in making a change". You could also argue though that even before becoming a rapper, he attended college and owned his own business so I'm kinda torn.

[The Dre Era]

is there a rapper or an athlete that would have been cool to bring? Or should we stay away from bringing celebrities to the children period?

This is just to get responses and opinions, but how do yall feel when Master P had a similiar show? One side is that you can see where he made an effort to put forth a more positive image moreso than T.I. But the other side makes you say "well, if he didn't make ignorant gangsta music in the first place he wouldn't even made the riches he needed to feel comfortable in making a change". You could also argue though that even before becoming a rapper, he attended college and owned his own business so I'm kinda torn.
how about your boys B.O.B and Lupe lol

[Smoka]

lol @ being more scarred of parents than police......This mentality is the exact reason why the kids are wild like they are now.. Children dont have that genuine love and respect for their mom and dad..My pops would've came to my school and put hands on me infront of the principle and the dared him to try and stop him.. If I got arrested..I was better off going to jail than going home!!! I respect the shit out of the tough love my dad issued to me...You fuck up..You pay for it!!!!

[The Dre Era]

I believe in this era parents have a way more tougher job raising kids because of all the distractions outside of home.
Plus this is a working era. There are not many housewives out there compared to my generation growing up. Both parents are out working and have less time to spend with their children. The quality of education has went down partly because of outrage of certain content that can't be taught in schools anymore.
Speaking for myself as a parent I am definitely concerned.

[Qwasian]

This mentality is the exact reason why the kids are wild like they are now.. Children dont have that genuine love and respect for their mom and dad..My pops would've came to my school and put hands on me infront of the principle and the dared him to try and stop him.. If I got arrested..I was better off going to jail than going home!!! I respect the shit out of the tough love my dad issued to me...You fuck up..You pay for it!!!!

my parents and many of my friends parents did the same, we still was fucking up.... I had DEA/helicopters/airplanes in my area and that pulled us out the jeep in front of my house with guns drawn because of my homeboy kevin and he always had strict ass parents, he got beat more than normal kids in my opinion........ every kid don't react to that shit the same way, I know I didn't........it seemed like that shit pushed me futher honestly, and then when I got myself together and grew up I was doing my own thing with really nobody to answer to and I just did it myself.... each person/situation is different........


and as far as the master p thing...... I would feel more comfortable, "ALOT MORE COMFORTABLE" with master p coming to speak because of the noteable change in his life, from T.I. I get the "Im Here To Please These Police Then I'm Back On The Grind" Vibe.... and from Master P, I still believe he's a hustler and might have some sketchy mentalities about him, but I believe he changed his shit around to a point where he represents positivity, T.I. has yet to do that, if T.I. did more and actually switched around I'd go to bat for him as well, he just has yet to do it in my opinion. Master P represents that " I fucked up and wanna do good now " way more to me than T.I., I'd like to see T.I. change his situation around and do well, but realistically when has he done that? he's been in trouble several times before, and that's my biggest thing, not that he's been in trouble, but that I know him very well and I just do not see the change in him, I don't get that good vibe

[AliAllWorld]

This mentality is the exact reason why the kids are wild like they are now.. Children dont have that genuine love and respect for their mom and dad..My pops would've came to my school and put hands on me infront of the principle and the dared him to try and stop him.. If I got arrested..I was better off going to jail than going home!!! I respect the shit out of the tough love my dad issued to me...You fuck up..You pay for it!!!!

Till this day I do not try to get on the bad side of my DAD, and I am grown. It's just a matter of respect.

Kids today do need guidance. If your kid can relate to the experiences and environment that T.I. is from and he is trying to tell kids to not make the mistakes that he made, then yes he can talk to them. As a parent it is our job to make sure what he is talking about is for the good of our kids. If he's talking about beating the system, getting over and other related coonery, then he can go merc himself immediately.

[Qwasian]

I believe in this era parents have a way more tougher job raising kids because of all the distractions outside of home.
Plus this is a working era. There are not many housewives out there compared to my generation growing up. Both parents are out working and have less time to spend with their children. The quality of education has went down partly because of outrage of certain content that can't be taught in schools anymore.
Speaking for myself as a parent I am definitely concerned.

this is one of the biggest reasons i'm glad I was able to do my own thing business wise and be home to take care of the kids, help them with they school work, programs, activities etc. when the kids start getting a little older, you really can see the difference it makes just being there and interacting with them in a positive way.

[Mercury]

I used to hate that my mom let other people give me "whuppings" LOL. A random relative or old person would put the belt to me if I was acting up...

...so then when they would bring me back to my mom, I tried to snitch and get them in trouble. My mom would say the same thing everytime though... "so what did you do wrong?"

[AliAllWorld]

this is one of the biggest reasons i'm glad I was able to do my own thing business wise and be home to take care of the kids, help them with they school work, programs, activities etc. when the kids start getting a little older, you really can see the difference it makes just being there and interacting with them in a positive way.

I have to work, my wife has to work but when I send my 14 year old out each morning I feel he is prepared and hopefully he'll make the right decisions during the day. I know he's not perfect and I know there is a lot of peer pressure but I feel that he at least has a good foundation. And I'll admit I am not the perfect Dad and we but heads all the time on simple shit, but he knows that if he needs anything or needs to talk about anything I'll stop whatever is going on to help him or hear him out. A lot of kids don't even have that luxury because they do not even have a responsible parent in the household.

I got two nieces that come to me and my wife all the time because we pretty much raised them from the jump. Their momma never worked lived in the projects and their dad was in and out of jail all the time. That shit kind of stressed me out because I was like damn, I feel like I got 4 kids now.

But I talked to my Dad a while back about this and he told me maybe it was God who put me and my wife in their lives because of what we had.

Kids need guidance and you never know where it may come from. Like I stated earlier it's up to the parents to decide who they interact with. Each situation is different.

[The Dre Era]

this is one of the biggest reasons i'm glad I was able to do my own thing business wise and be home to take care of the kids, help them with they school work, programs, activities etc. when the kids start getting a little older, you really can see the difference it makes just being there and interacting with them in a positive way.
that's wassup
one of my biggest failures and regrets is having a child out of wedlock.
i always said I wasn't gonna do that but hey that's life.
1st 10 years of my life I grew up in a single parent home and was left home alone at a young age but I was mature enough to take care of myself. Moms had to work but she always left me with a house full of food and cable tv.
Thats why I love tv to this day
Today its hard to find tv shows with good values, and lessons in the end... Blossom, save by the bell, cosby show, family matters, step by step, fresh prince of bell Air, All of us.
I wonder how I would of came out if I was raised the 1st 10 years of my life under the same situation today. (latch key kid)

[Smoka]

good Job Ali!!! eventhough you are a fuck ass Eagle fan.. You right tho.. Kids do need guidance. I spend all the time I can just to be around them and allow them to talk to me.. Me and my boys will occasionally sit down and discuss me.. What can I do to be a better Father/Dad/Coach and friend to them..This is when they can be completely honest with me.. I may not like it but it allows us to grow together.. I've done my best to equip my boys with all of the tools needed to be a successful young man..Now its their responsibilty to make the right decisions or reap the consequences and repercussions..simple as that..

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

good Job Ali!!! eventhough you are a fuck ass Eagle fan.. You right tho.. Kids do need guidance. I spend all the time I can just to be around them and allow them to talk to me.. Me and my boys will occasionally sit down and discuss me.. What can I do to be a better Father/Dad/Coach and friend to them..This is when they can be completely honest with me.. I may not like it but it allows us to grow together.. I've done my best to equip my boys with all of the tools needed to be a successful young man..Now its their responsibilty to make the right decisions or reap the consequences and repercussions..simple as that..

raising your kids is easy....keep the southern CD's away and they will be fine

[Qwasian]

raising your kids is easy....keep the southern CD's away and they will be fine

unless it's T.I., then of course it's perfectly fine :rolleyes:

[The Dre Era]

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[Mojo]

is there a rapper or an athlete that would have been cool to bring? Or should we stay away from bringing celebrities to the children period?


Any rapper that doesn't glorify negativity in their music will do. As far as athletes, many of them have issues, but that's in their private lives and it's not glorified in the public.

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

dame dash and biggs made jayz

[Mojo]

dame dash and biggs made jayz

Is Dre ghostwriting for Dub?

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

Is Dre ghostwriting for Dub?

since jayz was disloyal, I discredit his entire music career

[The Dre Era]

ha ha!
Preach

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

tiger cheated on his wife..so he sucks at golf

[Mojo]

Kobe is the reason the Lakers haven't beat the Thunder in the playoffs.

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

jayz isnt giving money to his friends...so all his albums suck

[The Dre Era]

jayz isnt giving money to his friends...so all his albums suck
correction: Overrated

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

correction: Overrated

i dont like his albums, therefore he is overrated

[The Dre Era]

Kobe is the reason the Lakers haven't beat the Thunder in the playoffs.
Kobe is shooting 33-86 in FGM-A in this series

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

basketball is not a team sport..one man needs to carry the team....kobe sucks

[jdubb757]

I too and torn about this topic. I work in an alternative school and the kids are so weak minded that they attempt to live out what they hear in T.I., Guicci, and whoever elses lyrics they can get their ears on. Have him speak to an entire school? Not sure about that one. Select some of your "toughest" who are heading down a troubling path and hopefully have T.I. knock of some of them community service hours that way. Now, I am a fan of having artists speak more about the value of an education. When Diddy said vote, all of young America went out and voted. All of them are screaming Gucci and all white bricks. So, if artists can move the crowd so to speak why not use them to move some kids towards a high school diploma? There are plenty of local artists on this thread that I would think have some higher up connections, so, somebody put together an infomercial or something about the value of a high school diploma.

[SoulstarShawn]

I dont see how yo uthink T.I. is gonna make kids wanna get a diploma when he is successful without one. I mean really what he gonna say if a kid say "T.I.P did you get your diploma" all he can say is "Naw shawty, I chose the wrong I dropped out sold drugs and became a multimillionaire without one, but you stay in school and go to college" be real. LOL.

[The Dre Era]

I dont see how yo uthink T.I. is gonna make kids wanna get a diploma when he is successful without one. I mean really what he gonna say if a kid say "T.I.P did you get your diploma" all he can say is "Naw shawty, I chose the wrong I dropped out sold drugs and became a multimillionaire without one, but you stay in school and go to college" be real. LOL.
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just fuckin wit cha

[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

TI snitched....all his albums suck and he is overrated

[The Dre Era]

TI snitched....all his albums suck and he is overrated
Yesssssssssssssssss!
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[Nerd Motivation 101]

The more I think about this the more I think about how incredibly retarded it is.

Just thinking back on my middle school days, we used to have dances on school grounds (even had some during school hours) and they used to play clean versions of popular rap song. If it had been today, you would've probably heard a "Whatever You Like" or a "Live Ya Life". And I wouldn't have any problems with my 12 year old going to a dance like that if it was on school grounds.

If you really think T.I. speaking about staying in school is going to corrupt your middle school kid then you might as well just go ahead and cop one these:

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/artsdesk/files/2009/12/bubbleboy.jpg

Ya kid is living in a bubble.

[Qwasian]

nobody said him speaking would corrupt them dumb fuck, his lifestyle & songs that corrupt them...... HELLO?

maybe your ass needs to take a lesson in comprehension........

[Nerd Motivation 101]

nobody said him speaking would corrupt them dumb fuck, his lifestyle & songs that corrupt them...... HELLO?

maybe your ass needs to take a lesson in comprehension........


He's not going to the school to rap to them or tell them about his lifestyle dumbfuck. He's going to talk to them. They won't be hearing his songs. But even if they were..so what? They probably hear them at the school dance.

[Qwasian]

he's not going to the school to rap to them or tell them about his lifestyle dumbfuck. He's going to talk to them. They won't be hearing his songs. But even if they were..so what? They probably hear them at the school dance.

the songs are negative...... That's the whole point, it's a parental advisory label on the shit for a reason......

[Nerd Motivation 101]

the songs are negative...... That's the whole point, it's a parental advisory label on the shit for a reason......

Yes, the songs are negative.

How does that relate to him going to a school to talk?

[Qwasian]

Yes, the songs are negative.

How does that relate to him going to a school to talk?

how fucking stupid do you have to be to comprehend this........

it doesn't DIRECTLY relate...... it in-advertantly relates........

some people will look up to T.I. be interested in him and he sends the wrong message thru his music........ it's that simple...... he's promoting this music thru the fucking school, it's in they marketing plan for him to appear because he's a music artist....

if T.I. was not a music artist... he would not be at the school...... it's a correlation between the 2 reguardless if you wanna believe it or not...... plenty of kids know who T.I. is and that he is a negative influence.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

how fucking stupid do you have to be to comprehend this........

it doesn't DIRECTLY relate...... it in-advertantly relates........

some people will look up to T.I. be interested in him and he sends the wrong message thru his music........ it's that simple...... he's promoting this music thru the fucking school, it's in they marketing plan for him to appear because he's a music artist....

if T.I. was not a music artist... he would not be at the school...... it's a correlation between the 2 reguardless if you wanna believe it or not...... plenty of kids know who T.I. is and that he is a negative influence.

Nothing you are saying makes any sense what so ever.

Your argument has degenerated into a conspiracy theory. Its all an undercover marketing ploy that you have no proof of at all other than a hunch. It always comes down to some secret conspiracy with you doesn't it? Its about time you invested in one of these:

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[Qwasian]

it's not a secret conspiracy that record labels use appearances & charity's for marketing.... that's common knowledge....... nothing strange about that.

if nothing i'm saying makes sense, then you are the moron, because I'm the one with kids, I own all T.I.'s music and deal with labels on an everyday basis........

that makes me qualified and you, "NOT SO MUCH"

[SoulstarShawn]

I'm saying though...who'd want a drug dealer fresh out the pen talking to the kids? Could a pimp off the street come in the school and talk to the kids? What about a nigga fresh out the pen for illegal guns? Then why T.I. cause he raps? Go get Stat Quo to tell them kids to stay in school. LOL. Shit at least he got a degree the shit would make some sense.

[Nerd Motivation 101]

I'm saying though...who'd want a drug dealer fresh out the pen talking to the kids? Could a pimp off the street come in the school and talk to the kids? What about a nigga fresh out the pen for illegal guns? Then why T.I. cause he raps? Go get Stat Quo to tell them kids to stay in school. LOL. Shit at least he got a degree the shit would make some sense.

He was picked because he commands the attention of kids. When he talks to them you can bet they'll be listening to what he has to say.

The kids don't know who a random drug dealer or pimp is. They don't know who Stat Quo is. They aren't likely to listen to them. But the question is can you trust a random pimp or drug dealer to not say something crazy? You can trust T.I., he's spoken to hundreds of kids, so you know what you're getting.

[Nah]

Does anybody remember the Scared Straight program???

[Nerd Motivation 101]

Also, you have to put things into context. T.I. went to prison for a victimless crime. He purchased guns illegally but he didn't shoot or kill anyone. They were for self-defense and he got a little carried away.

A pimp or drug dealer..they have victims. And that puts it on a different level.

Also, glorifying something is not the same as doing it. A ex-drug dealer who profits from books that glorify street life could talk to kids if he had a positive message for them. Thats different from a drug dealer talking to kids.

[The Dre Era]

speaking of TI

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[Cherry Almond Jergen's]

speaking of TI

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he's driving a ferrari instead of endorsing chevrolet....disloyal hypocrite....so every song he has made sucks

[Mr.T]

he's driving a ferrari instead of endorsing chevrolet....disloyal hypocrite....so every song he has made sucks

13 pages? lol wow my thread went Diamond....lol......but I NEVER Liked any of his songs....I just thought it was wild how they got at homeboy....do the kids know what he did? Do they read papers, blogs, and gossip sites? Or are they ust excited a rapper came to the school?

[SoulstarShawn]

I dont know I just dont see how someone that didnt finish school can talk to kids about finishing school.

[Smoka]

I dont know I just dont see how someone that didnt finish school can talk to kids about finishing school.Maybe he could use his life situations as a reason to finish school.. Had he stayed in school he may have aquired his success legally and never had to do his jail stints... Like Fin said maybe the kids were excited to have a rapper/entrepeneur there to speak to them..I think he would've had their undivided attention and atleast try to stress the importance of school..

[Qwasian]

Also, you have to put things into context. T.I. went to prison for a victimless crime. He purchased guns illegally but he didn't shoot or kill anyone. They were for self-defense and he got a little carried away.

A pimp or drug dealer..they have victims. And that puts it on a different level.

Also, glorifying something is not the same as doing it. A ex-drug dealer who profits from books that glorify street life could talk to kids if he had a positive message for them. Thats different from a drug dealer talking to kids.


T.I. has been to jail more than once.........and for crimes that weren't victimless

he was also involved in a highway shootout that left his homeboy dead.. that he started..........

so it seems like you trying to paint the picture good on him but that ain't reality

what made T.I. command the attention of the kids? his music? where he pimps, hustles, shoots the fuck outta people?

you contradictory then a muthafucka..... you talking in circles

[Qwasian]

Maybe he could use his life situations as a reason to finish school.. Had he stayed in school he may have aquired his success legally and never had to do his jail stints... Like Fin said maybe the kids were excited to have a rapper/entrepeneur there to speak to them..I think he would've had their undivided attention and atleast try to stress the importance of school..

he had success and repeatedly broke the law after he was already succesful........he did 2 jail bids or more since he signed a record deal.........c'mon son...........

then the kat alfamega apart of heroin kingpin cases where he snitched etc..........

I mean? which area do you see productive situations coming from? honestly? he "JUST" got outta jail.

he "JUST" made poor decisions recently..........

Im not knockin his hustle, shit do what you do..... but ain't no way in the hell ya'll gonna get me to justify the shit and say it's right, or the correct way to go about things, ain't gonna happen.....

[The Dre Era]

Dude is a menace to society
if any of us had is criminal record we wouldn't even be able to set foot in any school.
He can't even Vote:rolleyes:

[Nerd Motivation 101]

T.I. has been to jail more than once.........and for crimes that weren't victimless

he was also involved in a highway shootout that left his homeboy dead.. that he started..........

so it seems like you trying to paint the picture good on him but that ain't reality

what made T.I. command the attention of the kids? his music? where he pimps, hustles, shoots the fuck outta people?

you contradictory then a muthafucka..... you talking in circles

His stints in jail during the 00s were for minor things mostly parole violation. The other times were drug related but it happened in the 90s when he was a teenager. He's damn near 30 now. He hasn't had a drug related charge in like 10 years. I never claimed he was an angel but he aint the devil that you're trying to make him out to be either.

At the end of the day, these kids are 11-13. They are dancing to his songs at the school dance. They are listening to them on the radio. Having him talk to the kids is not going to harm them in anyway.

[Qwasian]

what song by T.I. really should be played at a school dance? seriously? it's technically illegal to play most of his music, I know it might be edited or whatever to make it cool but the theme is still there......

[Nerd Motivation 101]

what song by T.I. really should be played at a school dance? seriously? it's technically illegal to play most of his music, I know it might be edited or whatever to make it cool but the theme is still there......

All of his singles. I'd imagine songs like "Whatever You Like" would be more popular than "ASAP" with that age group. So I'd expect to hear something like that.

And nope, it aint illegal. Hell, I remember when I used to work at an elementary school during college...they had a dance for the 4th and 5th graders and they brought in a DJ who played edited rap. It was 04, I guess. They played songs like Trillville - Neva Eva.

Like I said before, when I was in middle school, we had dances that played edited rap too. I'd imagine its fairly common.

[Smoka]

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[The Dre Era]

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Snitch...........